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jbfrady

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I nabbed a couple tins of Esoterica recently (one Pembroke, one And So To Bed). For those of you who've tried these blends at various stages of age, how long should I cellar them to create the ideal? In assuming 8ish, but I'm willing to be overruled.
 
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I nabbed a couple tins of Esoterica recently (one Pembroke, one And So To Bed). For those of you who've tried these blends at various stages of age, how long should I cellar them to create the ideal? In assuming 8ish, but I'm willing to be overruled.
Keep ‘em for 5 years and then sell em to someone in China for a huge profit and buy several pounds of something else. They are tasty blends but they are far profitable than they are good.
 

telescopes

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I nabbed a couple tins of Esoterica recently (one Pembroke, one And So To Bed). For those of you who've tried these blends at various stages of age, how long should I cellar them to create the ideal? In assuming 8ish, but I'm willing to be overruled.
Smoke them now. My experience the toppings will diminish with time. Unless of course that is what you are after
 

According to the owner of the company, they are ready to smoke, and cellaring is a foppish thing.
They are pretty good, if you like the blend, right now, especially these two. I haven't found aging Esotericas to give them much benefit; however, I have only ever let them age ten years. If you are going to age even longer, then YMMV.

They all come with a heavy casing and/or topping, so they are all in the aromatic category for me. I do like when the casing/topping gets aged off of blends like this, but I haven't found them to shake that taste.

You missed when I gave away all of mine.
 
Stonehaven, on the other hand, is 100% worth aging if you can get it.
Yehhhh, because aging an aromatic makes them better...
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About the same time I sent all of my Penzance to newer forum members.
Eso's are good blends, but I am certain that if they were more available that guys would realize that there are better blends out there that are on the shelves more frequently. It is merely the unavailability that sets off this powerful suggestion that they are elite in some way.

The idea that aging these makes them "most precious" comes from flippers wanting to make a buck selling old stock, and propel the demand for what "they" have on hand. Flipper Marketing 101
 
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sablebrush52

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They’re ready to smoke when released. That’s according to Robert Germain, the owner of Germain’s, which manufactures the Esoterica line. He abjured further aging as “faffing about”.
I enjoy the Esoterica line up. They made some really excellent blends, mostly semi aromatic, which I, and many others enjoy. Are they the greatest blends ever made in the history of the universe? To some, maybe, to others, no but who cares, and to some Puritans they are a panty bunching anathema.
Aging doesn’t improve blends. Aging changes blends, and whether that change constitutes an improvement is up to the individual consumer to decide.
My personal experience with this line is that the base tobacco leaf blend has changed in the last few years to one I don’t like, so I’m not buying any more of it. Fortunately I have a good sized stash to enjoy.
 

EchoPlex

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Yehhhh, because aging an aromatic makes them better...
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Well, in the case of Stonehaven, yeah. Especially since the last few year's batches have been trending sharp and rough around the edges. I have 4 batches spanning 13 years here and it's clear to me. The mellowing of toppings can be a good thing in some cases, as you pointed out. Aromatic aging is not a hard rule.
 

Wet Dottle

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To the OP: I don't know about And So To Bed (it's a blend I don't like, therefore I never cellared it), but Pembroke flavor changes very little with age. I think it's the cognac topping that may have preserving properties that prevent the tobacco from aging like in other blends. The few changes I notice concern the latakia, which becomes stronger. In other words: when fresh, the cognac is the dominant flavor (to me, at least), but with age the latakia flavor rises to the same level, or maybe even above, of that of the cognac. Note that the cognac doesn't subside, or diminish, with age, it's the latakia that rises. The aroma in the bag, however, becomes fantastic (unfortunately, it doesn't carry to the actual smoking experience). I quite like it both ways. The difference is not huge, but if you want to experience it for yourself, I would say to wait 6 or 7 years, I think there's minimal change after that. Botton line: if you like Pembroke for the cognac, fresh is best; if you wish to enhance the latakia, age it.
 

jbfrady

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Thanks to all who have replied. If nothing else, I'm happy to learn that there's no definitive answer, so it leaves me open to experiment. I've been smoking tobacco for a long time but it's only this year that I've begun cellaring. I probably squirrel away 4 in every 5 tins at the moment and I've categorized them by how long I intend to age. For the time, I'll file these under TBD...
 
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