A Dunhill "Black Dot" Made White Again

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georged

Lifer
Mar 7, 2013
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For decades, there have been two urban legends orbiting around the Dunhill trademark dot.

One is that they are made out of ivory. They are not. The material used since day one is something called celluloid, which is an early-days plastic.

The other urban legend is that they used some sort of black material (I've heard everything from black pearl to obsidian) for special pipes made to order for famous people, dignitaries, and so forth. That isn't true either.

Recently I received a 1922 Shell with a black dot whose owner was aware the black dot business was romantic silliness (and also knew its actual cause), and wanted his pipe to look the way Dunhill intended---as in, actually sent out their door in 1922, and also for the first years of its life.

What IS the actual cause?

Over-drilling the hole for the dot at production time until it intersected the DRAFT hole, which resulted in all that lovely black crud you see on the end of a used pipe cleaner being stuffed into the dot hole from "underneath", and the microscopically sponge-like celluloid absorbing and wicking it upward until the dot gradually darkens to pure black.

Ironically, the only way to make a 102 year-old Dunhill dot LOOK like it's made from celluloid, though, is to make it out of ivory.

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Why? Because celluloid degrades slightly in a beautiful way as it ages: It becomes ever-so-faintly ivory in color as well as faintly translucent. (It's gorgeous. A patina that some collectors refer to as "milky")

So, here is the time machine process, step by step.

The single biggest hazard is drilling out the old dot absolutely exactly, without being off-center even a couple ten-thousanths of an inch, because missing will result in an OVAL hole. A mistake that has no re-wind button.

Another fussy business is fashioning a new "dot rod" from ivory (NOT elephant ivory, but walrus tusk ivory which is completely legal), because it must be cut down to an exact snug/slip-fit in the hole. Doing that requires either a jeweler's lathe (a pipemaker's lathe won't hold a workpiece so small), or doing it by hand with a belt sander and electric drill.

There is a re-wind button if you screw up the new dot rod---just keep trying until you get it right---but holding under a half-thou by hand sure is entertaining for anyone who doesn't know the tricks involved.

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The original, tar-blackened celluloid dot ----

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A "center mark" made with a needle-point etching tool (necessary because finding center from an oblique view is impossible) ---

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Clamping the stem, then aligning the center mark via x-y table ----

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Drilling out the old dot. Notice the shavings aren't black... the celluloid only turns black on the topmost surface where the "upward flow of crud" stops and collects ----

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The new hole ----

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Walrus tusk ivory as supplied to people who do stuff with it (jewelry makers, etc.) ----

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A sawn-off splinter of it chucked in a drill a ground into a rod ----

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The ivory glued into the new hole ----

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The ivory cut off, leveled, and polished ----

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jpmcwjr

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So, there are Dunhills out there that have ivory dots.... as I have maintained. Quite probable that a very few were made for rich clients a century ago. Bespoke billiards, so to speak!
 
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jguss

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So, there are Dunhills out there that have ivory dots.... as I have maintained. Quite probable that a very few were made for rich clients a century ago. Bespoke billiards, so to speak!

Yes, there are true ivory dots. The unknown (and unknowable?) is whether there are any that weren't made by George. Speaking of which I'm thinking of sending him all the rarest of my Dunhill pipes, along with a handful of my teeth, to have the dots replaced. A sacrifice for sure, but totally worth it to have conversation pieces (although I'm not sure incoherent mumbling qualifies as conversation).
 

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Yes, there are true ivory dots. The unknown (and unknowable?) is whether there are any that weren't made by George. Speaking of which I'm thinking of sending him all the rarest of my Dunhill pipes, along with a handful of my teeth, to have the dots replaced. A sacrifice for sure, but totally worth it to have conversation pieces (although I'm not sure incoherent mumbling qualifies as conversation).
Do it! The Doors can then include you in a new song lyric.

Just pop in a set of these, $10 on Amazon.

You'll have crazy street cred with us.

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georged

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Quite probable that a very few were made for rich clients a century ago. Bespoke billiards, so to speak!

The obvious question is why would anybody---never mind someone wealthy or important who loves owning special things---want something special that was invisible? Impossible to prove without destructive testing? AND looked like Dunhill's everyday production?

It's entirely possible that Dunhill made some special order dots out of gold or colored gemstone over the years for wealthy "like to be noticed" people, but that would be consistent with human nature, not run counter to it.
 

condorlover1

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I remember reading on here somewhere that some guy used to collected these fabled Dunhill 'Black Spot' pipes and would pay crazy money for them since they were so rare. The fact that he had no idea he was buying something that had happened as a result of natural tar progression over the years struck me as rather amusing.
 

verporchting

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Pure freakin genius, George! Beautifully executed. Next perhaps a nice vulcanite tusk cap for an asymmetrical tusk challenged walrus sitting fore lorn on a melting iceberg somewhere? 😄🤔
 

georged

Lifer
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I remember reading on here somewhere that some guy used to collected these fabled Dunhill 'Black Spot' pipes and would pay crazy money for them since they were so rare. The fact that he had no idea he was buying something that had happened as a result of natural tar progression over the years struck me as rather amusing.

It might or might not have been the same guy, but I sat with one (who had a couple sidekicks who puppy-dogged around him like he was royalty) at the Chicago Show's awards dinner one time.

He went on at colorful length about their rarity and value.

It was equal parts entertaining and cringe-worthy. rotf