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WVOldFart

Lifer
Sep 1, 2021
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Why should we always need to blame someone?
If you get larynx cancer just be happy that you belong to the 10-20% of smokers who won in the lottery.
The only one we have to blame for our health concerning smoking is us. We choose to smoke. The post is about how the medical industry may want to eliminate smoking so that they can control nicotine on their terms.
 

Auxsender

Lifer
Jul 17, 2022
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The only one we have to blame for our health concerning smoking is us. We choose to smoke. The post is about how the medical industry may want to eliminate smoking so that they can control nicotine on their terms.
What do you think is more profitable for the American Medical Complex, dispensing medical nicotine at dollars per patch or treating a vast array of cancers at hundreds of thousands of dollars per patient per year?

My guess is treating the cancer.

I believe you might be using the looking glass backward if you catch my drift.
 

WVOldFart

Lifer
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For years the medical industry could not care less whether we smoked or not. It was "you shouldn't smoke. It is bad for your health." At the same time, they are happy to collect from our problems from surgeries, doctor's visits and medications. Now when the potential for new profits arises from nicotine being used as a beneficial force, perhaps they see a greater possibility to control nicotine to their advantage. The post was written to have something to consider, if you don't agree or don't want to think about it, then Let it go.
 

WVOldFart

Lifer
Sep 1, 2021
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What do you think is more profitable for the American Medical Complex, dispensing medical nicotine at dollars per patch or treating a vast array of cancers at hundreds of thousands of dollars per patient per year?

My guess is treating the cancer.

I believe you might be using the looking glass backward if you catch my drift.
What if the potential that nicotine can be used to maybe cure or stop the onset of Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, MS and who knows what else can outweigh the profits from cancer and other tobacco related profits. What if they have an idea that nicotine can possibly contain or manage cancer, then the possibilities would be endless. Since we don't know what the medical industry knows concerning what nicotine might accomplish, we are just speculating and discussing a matter. That is what a forum is supposed to do. There is no right or wrong to this post. It is something for people to consider.
 
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Alejo R.

Lifer
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I am not one for conspiracy theories but let us consider this. Not too long ago nobody cared if you smoked. The government was happy collecting the taxes on it and the medical profession was content on the occasional lung cancer patient. The medical profession never told us that 80 to 90% of people that smoke cigarettes never got lung cancer. Then all of a sudden it was discovered that nicotine had a positive effect on stopping or hindering the onset of Parkinson's Disease, Alzheimer's, MS and a host of other ailments. Nicotine patches are prescribed to some of those patients in many areas. So now nicotine in its purist state became a money-making agent for the medical profession. If they can eliminate smoking, then they would have complete control on how nicotine is dispersed. So maybe we should be blaming the medical profession for their greed and power-hungry ideas.
Politicians, always the politicians.
It is worth remembering a singular fact: smoking is the only addiction, among all those caused by substances, that does not stupefy.

And yet, those same politicians gladly collect taxes from marijuana dispensaries, turn a blind eye to other drugs, and even grant licenses to pharmaceutical companies so they can sell opioids until the consumer is hooked.

At the same time, they bury their heads in the sand when it comes to alcohol, which causes more harm worldwide than all other drugs combined.

And despite all this, they never miss the chance to call themselves champions of public health with the simple gesture of banning tobacco.
 

cosmicfolklore

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Alabama's restrictions on smoking in public seem not much different that the other 49 states: Frequently Asked Questions - Clean Indoor Air Act | Alabama Department of Public Health (ADPH) - https://www.alabamapublichealth.gov/tpts/faq.html. Or are they ignored such that you can smoke anywhere in offices, restaurants, bars, or near entryways, so that every place is a smoking area? Or have your expectations just changed?

I don't know about Europe, but compared to Asia, the US is damn near smoke free.

The longest lived human being, verified, smoked cigarettes until she was 117. She died at 122. Jeanne Calment - Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_Calment
No one would know we had these laws, ha ha. They must have passed them in secret. We still have restaurants with smoking sections and ashtrays on the table and matches with business logos on them.
However, I don’t intentionally smoke around unsuspecting bystanders, but on many occasions I have caught myself deep inside stores with my pipe in chock by accident. Our favorite restaurants will let me smoke in their outside seating. And, hospitals will let me smoke while leaning on their doors

Never in my life has anyone given me a second look while smoking.

Do you guys just follow laws like sheep? Hell, we have so many laws still on the books from slavery and Jim Crow that I probably break the law a dozen times a day. I definitely don’t feel any boots of oppression on my neck, ever.

I just chose not to be an asshole and intentionally smoke inside around folks that might not want to breathe my smoke.
 
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woodsroad

Lifer
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What if the potential that nicotine can be used to maybe cure or stop the onset of Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, MS and who knows what else can outweigh the profits from cancer and other tobacco related profits. What if they have an idea that nicotine can possibly contain or manage cancer, then the possibilities would be endless. Since we don't know what the medical industry knows concerning what nicotine might accomplish, we are just speculating and discussing a matter. That is what a forum is supposed to do. There is no right or wrong to this post. It is something for people to consider.
Nicotine doesn't cure anything. But let's assume it does. Do you really think that any doctor is going to tell their patients to start smoking? Smoking is the leading preventable cause of cancer and is linked to roughly one in every three cancer deaths.
 

WVOldFart

Lifer
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Nicotine doesn't cure anything. But let's assume it does. Do you really think that any doctor is going to tell their patients to start smoking? Smoking is the leading preventable cause of cancer and is linked to roughly one in every three cancer deaths.
Nicotine would be used in its purist form, in a liquid. Smoking would not be promoted or recommended. Since we don't fully know what the medical industry has found out about nicotine, we can only speculate.
 

woodsroad

Lifer
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Nicotine would be used in its purist form, in a liquid. Smoking would not be promoted or recommended. Since we don't fully know what the medical industry has found out about nicotine, we can only speculate.
Nicotine production isn’t controlled by any one company. It’s produced, naturally or synthetically, in many countries, by many companies. Even if there is a secret cabal hiding research that proves it to be a wonder drug, I don’t see how any one company could capitalize on it. It’s as common as aspirin.
 

MisterBadger

Lifer
Oct 6, 2024
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Nicotine would be used in its purist form, in a liquid. Smoking would not be promoted or recommended. Since we don't fully know what the medical industry has found out about nicotine, we can only speculate.
- I think that, if this were the subject of serious medical research, there would be a few peer-reviewed papers about it online. I think I'll go looking, and report back.