No Luck with Hallmark

[milk]

I’m interested in this pipe but I can’t figure out the hallmark. It looks like an amber stem so I don’t think it’s post 1920s. I wonder if anyone has an idea? I’ve check all the cities and 1. I can’t figure out which city it is and 2. I can’t match that ornate H with a year in the right time-frame to any city.

 

[milk]

It could be a Chester K, but the city…Chester has 3 doohickies.

 

[BingBong]

Possibly a Glasgow mark.

TOBACCONISTS, PIPE MAKERS AND MOUNTERS HALLMARKS: J

description, photos and information about maker's and sponsor's marks (J) entered in British Assay Offices by tobacconists, pipe manufacturers, pipe mounters, tobacco, cigars, fancy goods importers in The What is? Silver Dictionary of www.silvercollection.it

www.silvercollection.it

shows JCS in a rectangle as John Cohen & Son, Glasgow

 

[jguss]

Cheshire mark, 1910. Morris Tobias Cohen of Glasgow trading as Joseph Cohen & Son of Glasgow.

 

[BingBong]

Glasgow mark, 1904? They cycled every 20, a Glasgow assay would make more sense. I would go so far as to say definitely not Chester - Perth (if it was still in operation), Edinburgh or Newcastle all much closer if Glasgow unavailable, Chester is almost North Wales, a long way away.

 

[jguss]

By the time your pipe was made Morris (~1839-1906) was dead and his widow Ada (~1852-1936) was carrying on the business.

Morris’s father, Joseph Cohen (~1811-1878) founded the business as a Glasgow tobacco shop.

 

[milk]

Possibly a Glasgow mark.

TOBACCONISTS, PIPE MAKERS AND MOUNTERS HALLMARKS: J

description, photos and information about maker's and sponsor's marks (J) entered in British Assay Offices by tobacconists, pipe manufacturers, pipe mounters, tobacco, cigars, fancy goods importers in The What is? Silver Dictionary of www.silvercollection.it

www.silvercollection.it

shows JCS in a rectangle as John Cohen & Son, Glasgow

Cheshire mark, 1910. Morris Tobias Cohen of Glasgow trading as Joseph Cohen & Son of Glasgow.

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By the time your pipe was made Morris (~1839-1906) was dead and his widow Ada (~1852-1936) was carrying on the business.

Morris’s father, Joseph Cohen (~1811-1878) founded the business as a Glasgow tobacco shop.

Thanks so much all! I haven’t purchased this but I’m thinking about it. This kind of mystery gets me going. Hope I didn’t put anyone out. BTW, does anyone know how a pipe colors like that?

 

[milk]

I think this could be a K in Glasgow.

 

[condorlover1]

I do. Do you want the long winded answer in which case you can visit my blog All Things Cutty - https://allthingscutty.blogspot.com/ which explains how this form of coloring took place. The simple answer is it was caused by the bowl restrictor of 'butt plug' as I refer to them which acted in a fashion similar to the modern coloring bowl. The other answer is that pipes were often painted or colored with something called 'Ox Blood' to create the same effect, however you will never know until you clean up the pipe. The stem is nice but looks to be a later replacement and I would certainly ask the seller how the shank threads are since if worn you will have the dreaded string in a bucket effect with the stem not having an air tight seal or worse still not lining up. Good luck with your new friend should you choose to adopt him!

 

[BingBong]

I think this could be a K in Glasgow.

I think you're right. 1907.

 

[milk]

I do. Do you want the long winded answer in which case you can visit my blog All Things Cutty - https://allthingscutty.blogspot.com/ which explains how this form of coloring took place. The simple answer is it was caused by the bowl restrictor of 'butt plug' as I refer to them which acted in a fashion similar to the modern coloring bowl. The other answer is that pipes were often painted or colored with something called 'Ox Blood' to create the same effect, however you will never know until you clean up the pipe. The stem is nice but looks to be a later replacement and I would certainly ask the seller how the shank threads are since if worn you will have the dreaded string in a bucket effect with the stem not having an air tight seal or worse still not lining up. Good luck with your new friend should you choose to adopt him!

Fascinating. Well, the threaded tenon does look rather short to me and the info says it's loose. Hmm...that's a shame. This kind of coloring with the matte-like effect just looks great to me. But, if there's a question about the stem, maybe I should not. A threaded stem seems like amber but it doesn't look quite original to me either. I will definitely head over to your blog! Much appreciated!

 

[milk]

I do. Do you want the long winded answer in which case you can visit my blog All Things Cutty - https://allthingscutty.blogspot.com/ which explains how this form of coloring took place. The simple answer is it was caused by the bowl restrictor of 'butt plug' as I refer to them which acted in a fashion similar to the modern coloring bowl. The other answer is that pipes were often painted or colored with something called 'Ox Blood' to create the same effect, however you will never know until you clean up the pipe. The stem is nice but looks to be a later replacement and I would certainly ask the seller how the shank threads are since if worn you will have the dreaded string in a bucket effect with the stem not having an air tight seal or worse still not lining up. Good luck with your new friend should you choose to adopt him!

Re: the blog: I see now. This is explained in detail and it's not an intuitive thing these days, though maybe back then people really focused on it. The effect is really cool. Hmm...Makes me really think about this pipe on offer.

 

[condorlover1]

That could be (a) thread wear in the shank in which case the pipe is buggared and either you accept a cemented in place stem (b) attempt some form of shim arrangement (c) look for another specimen

 

[didimauw]

I do. Do you want the long winded answer in which case you can visit my blog All Things Cutty - https://allthingscutty.blogspot.com/ which explains how this form of coloring took place. The simple answer is it was caused by the bowl restrictor of 'butt plug' as I refer to them which acted in a fashion similar to the modern coloring bowl. The other answer is that pipes were often painted or colored with something called 'Ox Blood' to create the same effect, however you will never know until you clean up the pipe. The stem is nice but looks to be a later replacement and I would certainly ask the seller how the shank threads are since if worn you will have the dreaded string in a bucket effect with the stem not having an air tight seal or worse still not lining up. Good luck with your new friend should you choose to adopt him!

U got 9 years worth of updates to do on that page my friend.....

 

[condorlover1]

U got 9 years worth of updates to do on that page my friend.....

@didimauw: Too busy replying to posts from you! You could offer to help if you want. We could do 2 posts a day each. WE could knock that out in time for next years Secret Satan. Lol

 

[Sig]

I do. Do you want the long winded answer in which case you can visit my blog All Things Cutty - https://allthingscutty.blogspot.com/ which explains how this form of coloring took place. The simple answer is it was caused by the bowl restrictor of 'butt plug' as I refer to them which acted in a fashion similar to the modern coloring bowl. The other answer is that pipes were often painted or colored with something called 'Ox Blood' to create the same effect, however you will never know until you clean up the pipe. The stem is nice but looks to be a later replacement and I would certainly ask the seller how the shank threads are since if worn you will have the dreaded string in a bucket effect with the stem not having an air tight seal or worse still not lining up. Good luck with your new friend should you choose to adopt him!

Ummmm, that's not how butt plugs work.
Do NOT ask me how I know!!

 

[anotherbob]

Since you live in Japan I thought this was going to be post about buying the wrong card for a small gift.

 

[BingBong]

Ummmm, that's not how butt plugs work.
Do NOT ask me how I know!!

I think I've mentioned here about the young woman at work who was very excited to be buying water butts to maintain her garden with rainwater. I advised her that they should be drained before the frosts came and the taps removed; the holes to be filled with temporary bungs. You will find butt plugs in all sizes listed on the Internet, I advised her, quite inexpensive. She was ever so appreciative.

 

[huntertrw]

No Luck with Hallmark​

And here I thought this thread was going to be about greeting cards!

 

[jguss]

I think this could be a K in Glasgow.

I agree, the date code is 1907 and the assay location Glasgow. The Glasgow assay office closed over 60 years ago, and while many records are gone some survive. The answer to who did the silver work and sold the pipe is still Joseph Cohen & Son of Glasgow. They registered identical makers marks in both Chester and Glasgow. Here are references to the various marks they registered in their home town:



And here’s an early history of the business printed a decade of Joseph died and had been succeeded by his son Morris: