Your Arizona CCW Permit

[Briar Lee]

Not my experience. But I live in rural Pennsylvania.

I live in rural Missouri.

I’m friends with the sheriffs and all the police and bailiffs for counties around.

But Missouri has about five urban areas where there are dockets for druggies that steal catalytic converters, and there is a prostitution docket.

Springfield, Columbia and Joplin aren’t so scary.

In Kansas City and St Louis you are lucky your car is still there after court.

When you take your guns to town you are asking for them to be stolen:

SAN ANTONIO – As the holidays approach, the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Western District of Texas wants to remind residents to properly secure their firearms when they are not in use. It is particularly important that gun owners do not leave any firearm insufficiently secured inside a vehicle when visiting shopping centers and malls. A locked car is not a secured car.

Nearly 2,300 firearms have been stolen from vehicles in San Antonio this year. Retail parking lots frequently serve as hot spots for burglaries, and thieves are capable of breaking into a vehicle, stealing a gun, and fleeing, all within 15 seconds or less. Furthermore, statistics show that car burglars target trucks and vehicles that display stickers, insignia, and license plates indicating military or law enforcement affiliation, as well as firearm ownership. Firearms stolen from vehicles are often used to commit violent crimes in San Antonio.

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It ain’t the same world we grew up in.

 

[Deano]

In Iowa we no longer need a permit.

 

[telescopes]

My brother and dad had one up until about 5 years ago. I can ask my brother tonight what he remembers if you have a specific question?

Does he or did he feel the Utah permit complimented the AZ permit in filling in for states that don't accept the AZ permit?

 

[telescopes]

Obviously many states don't require a permit. The question is, how many nonresidents of AZ or Utah for that matter use the out-of-state permit to fill in gaps for travel to states AZ doesn't get recognized in. This is more a matter for those on the East/West Coast where individual states don't have reciprocity with other states. For instance, residents of CA will often get an AZ permit just to ensure carry when traveling to other states since CA isn't recognized in many other states as well as not recognizing any other states itself.

 

[Briar Lee]

In Iowa we no longer need a permit.

Des Moines police records indicate the number of firearms stolen each year is on the rise. Where the stolen guns end up and how they’re used is difficult to track, police said. However, it’s safe to assume some of them are used in violent crimes around the city, they said.

The number of lost and stolen gun reports filed annually by Des Moines police has more than doubled in the past five years, to 222 in 2012 from 95 in 2008.

Lost, stolen guns in Des Moines on the rise

A Des Moines resident returned home in August to find his house on Indianola Avenue had been burglarized and eight gu...

www.desmoinesregister.com

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My Ruger LCP is I think the perfect little carry pistol. While it’s never going to be something I’m proud of like my 1950 Colt Detective Special with rounded grips it works, it’s light, and it’s flat. Fits anyplace my wallet does.

And when I slip it in my jacket or back pocket I commit a felony if I pull it out in a rude, angry, or threatening manner.

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571.030. Unlawful use of weapons, offense of — exceptions — violation, penalties. — 1. A person commits the offense of unlawful use of weapons, except as otherwise provided by sections 571.101 to 571.121, if he or she knowingly:

(1) Carries concealed upon or about his or her person a knife, a firearm, a blackjack or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use into any area where firearms are restricted under section 571.107; or

(2) Sets a spring gun; or

(3) Discharges or shoots a firearm into a dwelling house, a railroad train, boat, aircraft, or motor vehicle as defined in section 302.010, or any building or structure used for the assembling of people; or

(4) Exhibits, in the presence of one or more persons, any weapon readily capable of lethal use in an angry or threatening manner; or

(5) Has a firearm or projectile weapon readily capable of lethal use on his or her person, while he or she is intoxicated, and handles or otherwise uses such firearm or projectile weapon in either a negligent or unlawful manner or discharges such firearm or projectile weapon unless acting in self-defense; or

(6) Discharges a firearm within one hundred yards of any occupied schoolhouse, courthouse, or church building; or

(7) Discharges or shoots a firearm at a mark, at any object, or at random, on, along or across a public highway or discharges or shoots a firearm into any outbuilding; or

(8) Carries a firearm or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use into any church or place where people have assembled for worship, or into any election precinct on any election day, or into any building owned or occupied by any agency of the federal government, state government, or political subdivision thereof; or

(9) Discharges or shoots a firearm at or from a motor vehicle, as defined in section 301.010, discharges or shoots a firearm at any person, or at any other motor vehicle, or at any building or habitable structure, unless the person was lawfully acting in self-defense; or

(10) Carries a firearm, whether loaded or unloaded, or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use into any school, onto any school bus, or onto the premises of any function or activity sponsored or sanctioned by school officials or the district school board; or

(11) Possesses a firearm while also knowingly in possession of a controlled substance that is sufficient for a felony violation of section 579.015.

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In fifty years the estate sales will feature little plastic pistols for sale from back when everybody thought they needed one.

Sort of like the old break open 32 and 38 Owl Head revolvers.

The trouble with concealed carry is every dangerous place you might need one, is a place you shouldn’t go in the first place.

If you leave it in your car it’s liable to get stolen.

If you keep it on you then if a thug confronts you he’s got the drop on you.

And if it’s on you, every traffic stop turns into a standoff where you can get shot but can’t ever shoot back.

I think little plastic pistols are like cell phones.

Back when only a few of us had them, it was so wonderful to have a little phone on you.

Today, both are a ball and chain.

I’ve owned a lot of dogs, and now a couple of cats, that I truly love.

But I leave them at home, when I go someplace.

 

[telescopes]

If you keep it on you then if a thug confronts you he’s got the drop on you.

Sounds like you need to take some training classes and practice.

But I leave them at home, when I go someplace.

Good advice for yourself. You probably are doing everyone else a favor.

Guns are not toys or playthings like 100 watches or pipes kept in pales in the garage. They require instruction, practice, and need to be brought out and fired using standard drills. It is a perishable skill and one that, in the wrong hands, can seriously harm someone as well as yourself. Glad you keep them at home.

 

[Briar Lee]

Obviously many states don't require a permit. The question is, how many nonresidents of AZ or Utah for that matter use the out-of-state permit to fill in gaps for travel to states AZ doesn't get recognized in. This is more a matter for those on the East/West Coast where individual states don't have reciprocity with other states. For instance, residents of CA will often get an AZ permit just to ensure carry when traveling to other states since CA isn't recognized in many other states as well as not recognizing any other states itself.

Years ago almost every trucker I represented had an Oklahoma license.

In more recent times almost every immigrant in my office had an Illinois license.

Just yesterday I turned away a request to set up a machine gun trust.

Yes, all those things are legal.

And every cop soon learns about them, too.

My wife and I go to St Louis on occasion.

16 lanes of traffic and so many cars the police don’t set speed traps.

I leave my beautful guns at home.

And that’s probably because I’m like a dentist. Notice how he stands behind a shield and shoots you with the X-ray?.

To get tossed into an urban jail is a nightmare I don’t ever want to risk. I’ve seen it. I’ve made a lot of money getting people out of them.

Your best chances in urban areas is anonymity.

Do what you came to such places for and go home.

 

[Briar Lee]

Sounds like you need to take some training classes and practice.

Good advice for yourself. You probably are doing everyone else a favor.

Guns are not toys or playthings like 100 watches or pipes kept in pales in the garage. They require instruction, practice, and need to be brought out and fired using standard drills. It is a perishable skill and one that, in the wrong hands, can seriously harm someone as well as yourself. Glad you keep them at home.

The man who wrote the book, on the reluctance of men to shoot was SLA Marshall.

S. L. A. Marshall - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The reason I know about “Slam” Marshall was because of excellent Christian preachers and my seventh grade teacher Miss Charlotte.

In a nation with more than one gun per person and 340 million people the gun murder rate is a minuscule 10,000 a year and of that, of the known relationships, here’s who overcomes the natural reluctance to kill someone else:



(Don’t tell my wife that girlfriends and wives almost equal strangers. )

As I get older, I take my Olympus camera with a 300 mm lens more and more, to hunt.

And if my wife or kids decide to kill me, I surely hope they get away with it.

When you load your gun to shoot somebody else, you must be willing to do that instantly, without hesitation, and I don’t think I could.

And at my age, it would be really hard to train that out of me.

One of my projects in my retirement is to go home and research the famous Hammons murder trial and other such murders that were commonplace in the Ozarks from after the Civil War until about World War One.

James Clayton Hammons (1850-1913) - Find a Grave...

Son of Miller Hammons & Rebecca Harris.

www.findagrave.com

He was such a ^%}+# the county corner tried to pass it off as a suicide.



As late as forty years ago my mother and I would watch an old lady decorate her mother’s grave and not his, and Mama would whisper “Do you think she drew the short straw?”

In the event one of the boys took a train west from Greenfield, the other brothers were acquitted, the girls were never arrested, and the old man has his own tombstone seperate from the one he bought his wife, who died the year before the kids got sick of his *%}^.

Mary Angeline Phillips Hammons (1853-1912) - Find...

Dau. of John C. Phillips & A.C. Jones.

www.findagrave.com

Of the ten thousand or so murdered by guns each year, quite a few had it coming.

 

[Sobrbiker]

If you get stopped, you’ll be sorry you had it on you.

I have a throttle problem on my motorcycle, and my foot can get heavy when I’m in a vehicle…
If I’m not working, I am usually carrying, and probably have had contact with cops an average of every couple years.
If the don’t ask if I’m armed, my ccw gets handed to them with my license. If asked I answer truthfully.
Twice I’ve had them “disarm” me “for their safety and mine”.
But many more times I hear something like “don’t go for yours and I won’t go for mine.”

 

[Richmond B. Funkenhouser]

I've carried guns for years, but not always.

There were times when my life wasn't as calm and peaceful that I didn't carry a gun... Basically because I didn't want to have to shoot somebody if shit went sideways.

Like when I repossesed cars, those situations go to hell fast... And they usually resolve pretty fast as well. With a gun in the mix they might just escalate all the way to the max.

I strongly believe that people should and do have the right to carry a gun for any reason they want.

All that being said I think some guys are really just waiting for their chance to shoot a son of a bitch, as are many of our cops.

Insurance for when you smoke somebody... That almost sounds premeditated to me.

 

[brian64]

No sane person wants to be in a situation where he needs a gun to defend himself or someone else. I sure as hell don't ever want to be in that situation. But what would be worse would be to find myself in that situation and not have one.

 

[Richmond B. Funkenhouser]

No sane person wants to be in a situation where he needs a gun to defend himself or someone else. I sure as hell don't ever want to be in that situation. But what would be worse would be to find myself in that situation and not have one.

Let's say a guy pulls a gun on you while you repo his car... Do you shoot him? I'd imagine you are justified by law. It doesn't really get any clearer than that when considering if somebody intends to kill you.

But... But, but. Most of the time people don't really intend to do it. How could you know? You can't... With a gun in the waistband, some would say that the right answer is to draw and shoot. You're life was in imminent danger. A cop would certainly shoot that person.

But in reality... If I shot all the people who have aimed a gun at me (2 or 3), I'd hate that I did that, regardless of the legality.

Just a thought that has crossed my mind when reminiscing about my youth.

I used repossessing cars as an example of situations like this... There are many like it. Most people who live very peaceful or introverted lives may never see a situation of gray area like this, but some do.

IMO carry permits and pretty much all other gun control laws are illegal, but that doesn't mean I'd have no problem blasting somebody. I'd risk my own life to some extent to avoid it.... But my wife or son's life? Nope.

 

[brian64]

Let's say a guy pulls a gun on you while you repo his car... Do you shoot him? I'd imagine you are justified by law. It doesn't really get any clearer than that when considering if somebody intends to kill you.

But... But, but. Most of the time people don't really intend to do it. How could you know? You can't... With a gun in the waistband, some would say that the right answer is to draw and shoot. You're life was in imminent danger. A cop would certainly shoot that person.

But in reality... If I shot all the people who have aimed a gun at me (2 or 3), I'd hate that I did that, regardless of the legality.

Just a thought that has crossed my mind when reminiscing about my youth.

I used repossessing cars as an example of situations like this... There are many like it. Most people who live very peaceful or introverted lives may never see a situation of gray area like this, but some do.

IMO carry permits and pretty much all other gun control laws are illegal, but that doesn't mean I'd have no problem blasting somebody. I'd risk my own life to some extent to avoid it.... But my wife or son's life? Nope.

Oh, yeah, I agree with you that there are all kinds of variables. Ideally one would have the presence of mind to assess the situation and the person you're dealing with.

Fortunately for me I've never had anyone threaten me with a gun as you're describing. But I could come up with all kinds of hypothetical situations, or real world situations that have occurred to other people...but what would be the point? No one knows how these things might play out. In your case it went well...but maybe you could have just as easily been shot. Personally I'd never want to be a repo man...but if I was, I'd sure as hell be armed.

But the best way to defend yourself is to avoid the situation in the first place. But that might not always be possible.

If there's any bottom line, I suppose it's the difference between a home break in and any situation away from your home. If outside of one's own home, it better be a last resort and truly no other choice.

 

[Briar Lee]

Where I grew up you could hear a car coming a mile away on a still night.

Even today, sometimes you can hear traffic on Highway 13 three miles away.

It’s been nearly fifty years, but when I’d get home late on Friday night my mother always required the gossip of any of her generation out carousing with us kids.

(I only named rounders and honky tonk queens I knew she couldn’t verify)

It was pleasant weather and all the windows were open, and about this time of night we went to our seperate bedrooms and shut off the lights.

A truck came west from Humansville and it rounded the curve, then the engine shut off, and I got up and saw it cut off its lights, then heard it stop on our gravel driveway.

I had my Sweet 16 and I looked over and Mama had her .22 JC Higgins she’d legally stolen from my first stepfather in the divorce.

I looked out, and a man came up towards the front door.

Shit.

Then the man at the front door gently pecked on the door.

An Auto Five makes a distinctive sound when it closes, and I could hear the man gulp on the other side of the door.

MAY I HELP YOU, MOTHER FXXXER?


Ah, ah, ah, we are lost and where is Stockton!

FIFTEEN MORE MILES THE WAY YOU WERE DRIVING!

NOW GET!

He ran towards his truck, opened the door, and I could only see him, and he drove away back towards Humansville, not Stockton.

Would I have shot him?

If he’d tried to break in, I was ready to.

I sar down with my mother, and realized I’d parked my car where he couldn’t have seen it. I was usually at college. He thought she was alone.

The next evening my mother got one of the obscene phone calls she got from time to time and I got the phone and and said, I know exactly where you live, (named him) and if my mother ever gets another phone call or anything ever happens to her, you will be the victim of a stray bullet from a 30-06 someday.

And he hung up the phone.

(He’s still alive and I am too. )

My mother asked how I knew it was him.

I said he was the only man near your age you knew I didn’t see in town, who usually was.

(Plus I’d seen the bastard looking at my mother, and he lived the way he drove off)

What he couldn’t have known was that if I hadn’t been home Friday night my mother would have shot him 9 times after she sweetly opened the door.

The old time Scottish tradition Christians of the Ozarks all have sisters and wives and mothers that look like movie stars, and unlike the men, they will send you to the graveyard without the slightest hesitation for the most trivial of reasons.

And by the way, how do perverts make obscene phone calls these days?

Everybody has an unlisted cell phone number.

 

[FurCoat]

.Nice gun. Like you, I much prefer the simplicity of a revolver to a semi-auto.

.357 would probably be my second choice, but I'm more of the school of thought that a slower, heavier bullet is more ideal for a self-defense round. Mine is a S&W 629 44mag with 2/12 inch barrel, but with special loads...which are roughly the same ballistically as .45 acp.

PS: I've also got a Bond Arms derringer in .357.

My wife has a CCW. We chose a S&W model 642. The 629 is beautiful. I see owning one in the very near future.

 

[brian64]

The 629 is beautiful. I see owning one in the very near future.

Yeah, they are really nice...a beefier frame than the model 29.

I've also got a standard model 629 with 5 inch barrel for magnum loads. The 2.5 inch 629 is a Performance Center model...it's a nice upgrade you might want to consider for a wee bit more. My only complaint is the stock grip was too small for my hand, so I've got a Hogue hardwood grip with finger grooves on it, and it's super comfortable to shoot with special loads.

 

[Briar Lee]

Yeah, they are really nice...a beefier frame than the model 29.

I've also got a standard model 629 with 5 inch barrel for magnum loads. The 2.5 inch 629 is a Performance Center model...it's a nice upgrade you might want to consider for a wee bit more. My only complaint is the stock grip was too small for my hand, so I've got a Hogue hardwood grip with finger grooves on it, and it's super comfortable to shoot with special loads.

If concealment is not a factor, I highly recommend a Ruger Redhawk 5 1/2” with an action Job to slick up the trigger pull.

Most rounds I’ve used in this are 44 Special “Skeeter” loads, but it will handle full max 44 magnums as many as you want to beat yourself up shooting.



Should I ever need service, Ruger will service it. That’s another plus for the Redhawk.

 

[Brendan]

This is more like it more posts like these please, photo's always help

 

[tracerbullet]

We have a LTC ( license to carry) in Pa. Not a CCW. the is a difference because we can open carry as well

 

[Richmond B. Funkenhouser]

Heres my fishing gun, an el cheapo (Taurus G3). I put a 15 dollar chinese light/laser on her, the name of the light is "Solofish" so it just made sense.

I always take one fishing. People keep feeding the gators and they keep getting closer and closer.

The gators never used to worry me, but the numbers continue to grow. There's basically no hunting season for them. We all used to know not to feed them. Now we have lots of out of towners trying to get up close to 'em.



Here's one of our gators.