I completely forgot about purchases !
3 years ago I let my permit expire & tried to buy a .22 revolver . Had to wait for Sheriff's approval .Got it renewed soon after..........
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3 years ago I let my permit expire & tried to buy a .22 revolver . Had to wait for Sheriff's approval .Got it renewed soon after..........
God forbid you actually have to use lethal force in defense of oneās self or others and you make any statement to responding law enforcement other than āI thought I was going to dieā without legal representation.
Know you will go to jail, know that law enforcementās job is to build evidence that can be used against you (even if it seems clearly justified), and know that you donāt have to make any statement without representation. If all LE has on record coming out of your mouth is āI thought I was going to dieā the prosecution has as little to go on as possible. Statements you think may be helpful may not be.
Tell them youāre too shaken up because you thought you were going to die to say any more than that without a lawyer.
A day or two in jail may suck, but itās better than the poor outcome of civil or criminal cases brought against you.
Take my advice for what you paid for it, but itās what I train anyone I train.
Rule number one if gunfights is not āto have a gunā, itās actually ādonāt get in gunfightsā. Rule number two is to have a gun. Rule number three is donāt make the mistake of thinking that having a gun magically grants you the skills to effectively use a gunā¦
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Thatās just ignorant Van. You probably also believe that the gun show loophole exists, that you can order guns on the internet without background checks and 4473 Forms, or that gun laws are heeded by criminals.I do not blame the police for threatening violence and actually being violent to all those people.
If I had to deal with a public where Arizona mailed out concealed permits like jelly beans Iād be violent too.
Then again, you thought a Ruger LCP made a good carry choice
Yes. Imagine if driver's licenses followed the same rules as CCW. Then again, we'd have safer roads... :D
The public lives in a world where they see police shows and think the police only are after the bad guys.
When you see those strobes, friend, YOU are the bad guy, until they let you go on your way.
The police no longer carry Billy clubs and saps. They are going to shoot you with a taser or a gun, not fight you.
They no longer want you to go to their car, like I was taught in Driverās Ed in 1973.
The young man who bought my office was the county prosecutor and by accident backed into a building in Columbia Missouri, after a football game.
The police arrived and charged him with several felonies and almost shot him.
He kept his bar license and resigned as prosecutor and avoided a felony conviction.
Put your gun in the trunk, unloaded, and lock it.
Do not even smell like weed or any kind of booze.
When they say get on the ground, get there quick.
Better yet avoid all large cities.
You really, really donāt want to go to an urban jail for five minutes.
All āinternetā sales of modern firearms are actually through a brick and mortar FFL dealer who earns about $25 on an average purchase of $500.Thatās just ignorant Van. You probably also believe that the gun show loophole exists, that you can order guns on the internet without background checks and 4473 Forms, or that gun laws are heeded by criminals.
Then again, you thought a Ruger LCP made a good carry choice
Once that gun leaves the store it can be sold on a handshake in the parking lot.
There are about 120 guns per 100 people in the USA.
No wonder the police stop behind you, and approach your car with their hand on their gun.
Do not have any bumper stickers or dark tinted windows or custom plates on your car, drive the speed limit, signal every lane change, avoid high crime areas like the plague, and youāll live a longer and happier life, and lawyers like me will not take your money.
There was one man, who used to just come in the office to say hi to me and my staff. He was one of our first Covid deaths.
All the others had a problem they wish they didnāt have.
If it wasnāt for cars, women, booze, insurance companies and the police Iād have had a hard time making a living.
To add to the problems of the police, lookie here:
According to the 2023 United States National Survey on Drug Use and Health (NSDUH):
- 48.5 million (16.7%) Americans (aged 12 and older) battled a substance use disorder in the past year.1
- 10.2% of Americans 12 and older had an alcohol use disorder in the past year.1
- About 27.2 million Americans 12 or older (9.7%) reported battling a drug use disorder in the past year.1
- That same year, 7.5 million (2.7%) of Americans 12 and older struggled with both alcohol and drug use disorders simultaneously.1
- 20.4 million American adults (7.9%) suffered from both a mental health disorder and a substance use disorder, or co-occurring disorders in the past year.1
If youād like to help the police out, leave your pistol in your trunk.
If you get stopped, youāll be sorry you had it on you.
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Not true. I've been stopped with my pistol on me. I've been stopped without it. In California and in other states. In all cases the police are courteous and in all cases have voiced their support for CCW's. I mention I have a CCW even if I am not carrying at the moment (It comes up on their check anyway). Never has an officer given me grief about it. At this point, you are either disingenuous about what you are saying or you don't know what you are talking about. An abusive officer is an abusive officer - but it is unfair to speak for all of them as you have. Police are thankful for and support CCWs from my experience. Our current sheriff, Chad Bianco of Riverside County California has publicly stated that all law abiding citizens should have a CCW. And this is California.
I find I can avoid most problems by just not leaving the house.
On the rare occasion I must go to the grocery store or some other absolutely unavoidable exposure to the outside world, I am always unarmed...and have a large white surrender flag flying from the roof of my car...and a large sign on the back window stating: GUN-FREE ZONE.
And in addition to driving at least 5 miles per hour below the speed limit, I broadcast on continuous loop from loud speakers on hood and trunk: "I AM NOT RESISTING ARREST...I AM NOT RESISTING ARREST...I AM NOT RESISTING ARREST".
Aside from the odd looks I get (which I'm quite used to) no one usually bothers me. In the event I am pulled over by police (can't imagine why they would though) I IMMEDIATELY stop and dive out the driver's door, hitting the deck spread eagle, face to the pavement. This let's them know right away I am NOT A THREAT...and of course the speakers are still blaring, "I AM NOT RESISTING ARREST...I AM NOT RESISTING ARREST...I AM NOT RESISTING ARREST".
On the rare occasion I must go to the grocery store or some other absolutely unavoidable exposure to the outside world, I am always unarmed...and have a large white surrender flag flying from the roof of my car...and a large sign on the back window stating: GUN-FREE ZONE.
And in addition to driving at least 5 miles per hour below the speed limit, I broadcast on continuous loop from loud speakers on hood and trunk: "I AM NOT RESISTING ARREST...I AM NOT RESISTING ARREST...I AM NOT RESISTING ARREST".
Aside from the odd looks I get (which I'm quite used to) no one usually bothers me. In the event I am pulled over by police (can't imagine why they would though) I IMMEDIATELY stop and dive out the driver's door, hitting the deck spread eagle, face to the pavement. This let's them know right away I am NOT A THREAT...and of course the speakers are still blaring, "I AM NOT RESISTING ARREST...I AM NOT RESISTING ARREST...I AM NOT RESISTING ARREST".
Long time ago, Florida was the most reciprocal permit that was recognized by more states than all. I am not sure if that is still the case.
Those cards are only as good as the officer that knows what they are doing..... some idoits don't even know what the permit allows you to even do.
Louisiana just allowed constitutional carry. Meaning you don't even need a permit to carry concealed now.
Or you could do the honorable thing. Become a full-time law enforcement officer and you are covered by the LEOS act. It is recognized in all 50 states.
Those cards are only as good as the officer that knows what they are doing..... some idoits don't even know what the permit allows you to even do.
Louisiana just allowed constitutional carry. Meaning you don't even need a permit to carry concealed now.
Or you could do the honorable thing. Become a full-time law enforcement officer and you are covered by the LEOS act. It is recognized in all 50 states.
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In Missouri the police canāt know you are permitted, because of privacy restrictions.
If they did, theyād be less on edge. Crooks canāt qualify or donāt bother getting permits.
In my lifetime, buying a new firearm has gone from the same thing as buying a new watch, a new car, a new pair of boots, to walking in a gun shop and there not being one single new firearm in there that a hillbilly boy ever dreamed of owning.
New guns, especially handguns, are sold as weapons, instead of cherished possessions.
Something like three per cent of us own more than half the guns, and another ten percent of us own most of the rest.
The same statistics likely apply to pipes.
Less than half the households own any guns at all.
The trouble is thereās not as many places to shoot our guns like there was fifty years ago.
And kids have no idea of what a Model 12 Winchester was, and donāt want one. And if they inherit a Model 12 thereās nobody to fix it.
My crystal ball is forever cloudy, but over time the majority will grow tired of we gun owners.
Theyāll tax and regulate our plastic pistols and black rifles and make us social lepers until we donāt want our guns.
I do hope Iām wrong.
In Missouri the police canāt know you are permitted, because of privacy restrictions.
If they did, theyād be less on edge. Crooks canāt qualify or donāt bother getting permits.
In my lifetime, buying a new firearm has gone from the same thing as buying a new watch, a new car, a new pair of boots, to walking in a gun shop and there not being one single new firearm in there that a hillbilly boy ever dreamed of owning.
New guns, especially handguns, are sold as weapons, instead of cherished possessions.
Something like three per cent of us own more than half the guns, and another ten percent of us own most of the rest.
The same statistics likely apply to pipes.
Less than half the households own any guns at all.
The trouble is thereās not as many places to shoot our guns like there was fifty years ago.
And kids have no idea of what a Model 12 Winchester was, and donāt want one. And if they inherit a Model 12 thereās nobody to fix it.
My crystal ball is forever cloudy, but over time the majority will grow tired of we gun owners.
Theyāll tax and regulate our plastic pistols and black rifles and make us social lepers until we donāt want our guns.
I do hope Iām wrong.
Nice gun. Like you, I much prefer the simplicity of a revolver to a semi-auto.
.357 would probably be my second choice, but I'm more of the school of thought that a slower, heavier bullet is more ideal for a self-defense round. Mine is a S&W 629 44mag with 2/12 inch barrel, but with special loads...which are roughly the same ballistically as .45 acp.
PS: I've also got a Bond Arms derringer in .357.
My brother and dad had one up until about 5 years ago. I can ask my brother tonight what he remembers if you have a specific question?
with only a 2 1/2 inch barrel a 44mag cant burn up all the powder, just getting a louder and more flashy muzzle fire. Same with a 357mag in a 2 inch barrel. You are not getting hardly any better ballistics. Might as well just shoot a 38+p from it.
9mm +P+ is about as good as it gets for defense, unless you are defending against a bear.
You apparently didn't read my comments very carefully...I said 44 special loads...very little powder in them...I assure you it's all being burned.
Tennessee is awesome magical haven for proponents of the second Amendment. 12 minutes after being issued a TN drivers' license i was in a gun shop. 38 minutes after I got my license, I walked out the door with a new handgun. (A neat little .22 mag revolver that fits about anywhere you want to stuff it). Stark contrast to the 5 day wait back in WA.
Regarding carrying: I'm not sure even the classes properly convey the magnitude of risk and responsibility one takes on when they strap on a gun. Literally the first time i ever carried, age 21, I was walking on the median of a city street in Vancouver, WA after our then-famous fireworks display. My cousin was talking to a girl stuck in traffic when a relatively little guy bumped into me hard and with intent. I was looking at a different girl and brushed it off. Not 3 seconds later 4 giant guys passed me, 2 on each side. They were looking to jump anyone who reacted to the little guy. And I was poweess to say anything. I had a gun to manage. Life or death only, or you go to jail, lose your gun in a scuffle, etc. It was a powerful lesson.
A kid near me is charged with 2nd degree murder because he wa jumped in the kitchen where he works by 4 guys. Manages to get his gun, but didn't stop shooting once the threat of loss of life stopped.
If you carry, practice. Take a class. Get that insurance for people who carry to help with legal costs.
Regarding carrying: I'm not sure even the classes properly convey the magnitude of risk and responsibility one takes on when they strap on a gun. Literally the first time i ever carried, age 21, I was walking on the median of a city street in Vancouver, WA after our then-famous fireworks display. My cousin was talking to a girl stuck in traffic when a relatively little guy bumped into me hard and with intent. I was looking at a different girl and brushed it off. Not 3 seconds later 4 giant guys passed me, 2 on each side. They were looking to jump anyone who reacted to the little guy. And I was poweess to say anything. I had a gun to manage. Life or death only, or you go to jail, lose your gun in a scuffle, etc. It was a powerful lesson.
A kid near me is charged with 2nd degree murder because he wa jumped in the kitchen where he works by 4 guys. Manages to get his gun, but didn't stop shooting once the threat of loss of life stopped.
If you carry, practice. Take a class. Get that insurance for people who carry to help with legal costs.
The only gun Iāve ever needed is in my pantsā¦.yeah itās a little peashooter but itās gotten me into big trouble plenty of times!
very true, was thinking you meant you specially loaded your own bullets 44 mag bullets.
