What Have We Here?

[Ahi Ka]

Picked up this bulldog online the other day as I had a hunch it was old and unsmoked.

Bit of a badge on the bowl, and a slight discolouration on the shank which leads me to believe there either was a silver collar or the intention of banding with one.

Bone screw tenon. Vulcanite stem with orofic bit.

Any ideas how to date this? Or do we just accept it’s pre 20s?

Also, the seller appears to have placed the threaded bone tenon around the wrong way which stops the shank connection lining up - listing pics showed tenon in shank, pipe arrived with tenon in stem, tenon is now stuck back in shank. Lol

How can I safely remove it so I can turn it around?

 

[ChuckMijo]

Wrap a rag around tenon and see if you can twist it out by hand. I would not think it would be that tight. Maybe put in freezer? Just be gentle.

 

[Ahi Ka]

In freezer as I type. It was slipping in fingers so I like idea of using a rag

 

[Ahi Ka]

Also noticed that the chamber has these interesting marks (vice?) about halfway down and spaces at thirds around bowl. I know unsmoked Peterson’s normally have some visible tool marks inside chambers - any other makers? Or is it just common place?

 

[didimauw]

Yes I would say those are tool marks. Which may also mean it wasn't smoked very much!

 

[ChuckMijo]

That’s neat you can see the diamond tool pattern. I never knew , or saw that before.

 

[Ahi Ka]

Lol so got the tenon out of shank but now it’s stuck in stem...back to the freezer we go

 

[kcghost]

Shame we don't have any idea who made the pipe.

 

[BROBS]

Probably turn of the century basket pipe. Those are chuck marks inside the chamber.
It’s unsmoked, or the bone would have yellowed.

 

[Ahi Ka]

Probably turn of the century basket pipe. Those are chuck marks inside the chamber.
It’s unsmoked, or the bone would have yellowed.

Was just about to say chuck marks. It was doing my head in I couldn’t remember the term

 

[BROBS]

 

[BROBS]

Some shitty brands like Lorenzo will have them on the outside of the bowl sometimes.

 

[Ahi Ka]

I know Peterson’s made a big deal about leaving the marks visible, did any of the other houses do this too?

 

[Ahi Ka]

I got the fucking tenon stuck back in the shank again! Cmon!

 

[Ahi Ka]

4 chuck marks not 3 btw

 

[BROBS]

A lot of brands have it actually. Most I think. A lot of times if there’s a coating you won’t see it

 

[Casual]

My modern Savinellis have chuck marks inside the bowl.

 

[Ahi Ka]

I want to be super careful with bone but it is proving quite hard to get out. Wondering if after freezer I could cover tenon with some material and use a spanner to help grip

 

[prairiedruid]

Place it in the freezer overnight. Wrap the bone tenon in paper towel and rub the wood with your fingers. The idea is to keep the bone cold and warm up the wood. Try to turn it after awhile.

 

[Ahi Ka]

Have tried the overnight in the freezer and yet it is still stuck. Time for alcohol I guess. The more I look at it, it appears that by being screwed in the wrong way it is causing the tenon to catch on a thread and slightly sit on an angle, causing the stem to go askew as shown in this pic