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Took

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Has anyone used one of these cheap water content analyzers to test the content in leaf?

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I'm accustomed to buying instruments and these are extremely cheap, but I assume they just take a resistance measurement and then map it to a curve to generate the output measurement.

My question is, are these cheap tools even useful or does one need a much more advanced meter?

I doubt these are precise, but are they accurate enough to create repeatable measurements?

Link: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B08V8YL32S
 
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Took

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This one is highly rated, but also much more expensive. It's sold as a 'Hay Meter'. You can see the probe is designed for doing internal measurements on larger hay bales. I doubt this would be useful in a DIY scenario, but I assume calibration for hay and leaf are similar.

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Link: https://www.amazon.com/ZOEYEC-Portable-Moisture-chinensis-Emperor/dp/B07R775B7Q

"chinensis-Emporor" doesn't inspire much confidence!

Here is a well rated one from General but it looks like it calibrates for dense building materials. Probably not useful unless measuring very dense plugs.

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Link: https://www.amazon.com/General-Tools-MMD4E-Moisture-High-Medium-Low/dp/B00275F5O2

(Note: these aren't affiliate links. Merely to show the difference between available products.)

I'm curious if any of these units can be calibrated for leaf, how dense the leaf has to be, how repeatability is affected by density... Lots of questions.
 
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I know people have used them but if you are just home blending, I'd probably consider weight calculations.

It's questionable how plausible my suggestion is though!
 
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I’d say you will get a reading but how accurate is anyone’s guess given there would be no baseline for tobacco. For instance each grain type (wheat, corn, barley, canola) would have its own baseline built in so it’s about picking what substance from the list in the device is closest
 
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I know people have used them but if you are just home blending, I'd probably consider weight calculations.

It's questionable how plausible my suggestion is though!
Weight would be ideal but to get a baseline you need to start at a very low moisture level and then account for material loss per batch as processing goes on. I was hoping to get into something that allows for easy spot checking. Solid recommendation!
 

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I’d say you will get a reading but how accurate is anyone’s guess given there would be no baseline for tobacco. For instance each grain type (wheat, corn, barley, canola) would have its own baseline built in so it’s about picking what substance from the list in the device is closest
Yeah, I think I'll order one and try to calibrate it. Wish me luck!
 
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If you search the forums for "moisture meter" you will see that this comes up every couple years. An 'experiment' was written up by Mike Z. and Craig H. In the NASPC magazine probably 7-8 years ago now which suggested they're a useful tool for relative measures, but not accurate for actual water content in tobacco.

But, if you've put the work in, you can get an idea of where the tobacco you're measuring is relative to your established preference. Some folks say they can do this by feel, some want numbers, most don't care that much
 
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We use an Agratronix Pro here to test our grain. It uses either an electrical capacity or resistance to test moisture in grains depending what you're testing.
Not sure if it would work on tobacco. Maybe I'll try. :)

 
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Took

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If you search the forums for "moisture meter" you will see that this comes up every couple years. An 'experiment' was written up by Mike Z. and Craig H. In the NASPC magazine probably 7-8 years ago now which suggested they're a useful tool for relative measures, but not accurate for actual water content in tobacco.

But, if you've put the work in, you can get an idea of where the tobacco you're measuring is relative to your established preference. Some folks say they can do this by feel, some want numbers, most don't care that much
I have no issues smoking tobacco by feel. I'm really more interested in having a tool that spot checks for moisture while processing leaf.

I'll try to find a copy of the NASPC article. Thanks!
 

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We use an Agratronix Pro here to test our grain. It uses either an electrical capacity or resistance to test moisture in grains depending what you're testing.
Not sure if it would work on tobacco. Maybe I'll try. :)

Agratronix units look like a premium option. Please let me know what sorta results you get. Thanks!
 
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For tobacco, the difficulty with using any of the common varieties of moisture meters, which rely upon measuring the resistance between their probes, is twofold:

1- They won't provide an actual percentage of moisture, just a relative number.

2- Achieving consistency with #1 requires compressing the tobacco to some repeatable degree because the resistance is impacted by the density of the tobacco you are measuring. So, I doubt there's any way to meaningfully compare the readings of say, a flake and a shag. I also don't know how additives like PG or sugar or alcohols might impact the readings.

I used one from Harbor Freight to help my friend Mike Zicha and I write an article on the impact of moisture levels for The Pipe Collector more than five years ago. It kinda, sorta, helped us. We were separately testing the same tobacco at different moisture levels. The meter helped to ensure we were writing about roughly the same levels of moisture, but that's it. It's a relative reading and even at that, if Mike compressed his more than I did, it wouldn't be accurate.

I wouldn't overthink this, even though we used the meter for our article. With experience, you'll know by feel what will smoke best for you. The big takeaway from me in writing the article wasn't to use a meter... it was that it's worth experimenting with your favorite blends to find out how moist you really like them. You may be surprised by the results.

For our article, I wrote to a well-respected and well-known industry expert. Here's what he told me:

"Measuring moisture content IS difficult. The most accurate method is to weigh a sample, dehydrate it, weigh it again, and do the calculation. For greatest accuracy, the dehydration would take place in a vacuum oven, and the scales used for weight would be precision lab balances. You can get close enough with a toaster oven (or an electric home oven if you have one that can get down to 180˚F or lower) and a relatively accurate gram scale. The tobacco's post dehydration weight has to be taken quickly and while the tobacco is still warm, as it will quickly begin absorbing moisture from the air, equilibrating to the relative humidity. This is the way it's done in the industry when necessary, but for the pipe smoker, it's kind of a waste of good tobacco.

The meter you have is designed for measuring the moisture content of wood. Since it's dealing with a relatively small range of material densities, it can provide a fairly consistent reading. Not so with tobacco, as you've discovered. A plug with 47% moisture in it would be pretty much drenched. Anything over about 22% is very moist. I'd say that 19% is probably closer, but still may not be very accurate.

One way you could get more consistent results with the meter would be to measure out a fixed weight of the tobacco, compress it into a fixed volume, and take a reading with a consistent pressure provided by the probe. As you've probably already figured out, where the probe is, how much pressure you apply when reading will change the indicated measurement drastically. If you're not after actual numbers, just a consistent comparison, this may be a decent work-around.

Keep in mind that 9-10% moisture by weight (MBW) is very dry, 13-18% is the range of good smokability, depending on the blend, and much above that is relatively soggy.

In industry, it's not often necessary to make accurate measurements. The RH of the environment will hold tobaccos at a relatively constant MBW, and moisture can be added as necessary to bring it up to the "right" levels. In large operations, it's usually done during the "redrying" operation - leaf is moistened for cutting, lightly pressed into cakes called, run through the cutters, and then dried to the proper levels while tumbling in a heated cylinder. That's the way the cigarette industry works, where consistency over millions of pounds is essential. In smaller operations, it's generally more of a feel thing based on experience and known environmental conditions. "
 

Took

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For tobacco, the difficulty with using any of the common varieties of moisture meters, which rely upon measuring the resistance between their probes, is twofold:

1- They won't provide an actual percentage of moisture, just a relative number.

2- Achieving consistency with #1 requires compressing the tobacco to some repeatable degree because the resistance is impacted by the density of the tobacco you are measuring. So, I doubt there's any way to meaningfully compare the readings of say, a flake and a shag. I also don't know how additives like PG or sugar or alcohols might impact the readings.

I used one from Harbor Freight to help my friend Mike Zicha and I write an article on the impact of moisture levels for The Pipe Collector more than five years ago. It kinda, sorta, helped us. We were separately testing the same tobacco at different moisture levels. The meter helped to ensure we were writing about roughly the same levels of moisture, but that's it. It's a relative reading and even at that, if Mike compressed his more than I did, it wouldn't be accurate.

I wouldn't overthink this, even though we used the meter for our article. With experience, you'll know by feel what will smoke best for you. The big takeaway from me in writing the article wasn't to use a meter... it was that it's worth experimenting with your favorite blends to find out how moist you really like them. You may be surprised by the results.

For our article, I wrote to a well-respected and well-known industry expert. Here's what he told me:

"Measuring moisture content IS difficult. The most accurate method is to weigh a sample, dehydrate it, weigh it again, and do the calculation. For greatest accuracy, the dehydration would take place in a vacuum oven, and the scales used for weight would be precision lab balances. You can get close enough with a toaster oven (or an electric home oven if you have one that can get down to 180˚F or lower) and a relatively accurate gram scale. The tobacco's post dehydration weight has to be taken quickly and while the tobacco is still warm, as it will quickly begin absorbing moisture from the air, equilibrating to the relative humidity. This is the way it's done in the industry when necessary, but for the pipe smoker, it's kind of a waste of good tobacco.

The meter you have is designed for measuring the moisture content of wood. Since it's dealing with a relatively small range of material densities, it can provide a fairly consistent reading. Not so with tobacco, as you've discovered. A plug with 47% moisture in it would be pretty much drenched. Anything over about 22% is very moist. I'd say that 19% is probably closer, but still may not be very accurate.

One way you could get more consistent results with the meter would be to measure out a fixed weight of the tobacco, compress it into a fixed volume, and take a reading with a consistent pressure provided by the probe. As you've probably already figured out, where the probe is, how much pressure you apply when reading will change the indicated measurement drastically. If you're not after actual numbers, just a consistent comparison, this may be a decent work-around.

Keep in mind that 9-10% moisture by weight (MBW) is very dry, 13-18% is the range of good smokability, depending on the blend, and much above that is relatively soggy.

In industry, it's not often necessary to make accurate measurements. The RH of the environment will hold tobaccos at a relatively constant MBW, and moisture can be added as necessary to bring it up to the "right" levels. In large operations, it's usually done during the "redrying" operation - leaf is moistened for cutting, lightly pressed into cakes called, run through the cutters, and then dried to the proper levels while tumbling in a heated cylinder. That's the way the cigarette industry works, where consistency over millions of pounds is essential. In smaller operations, it's generally more of a feel thing based on experience and known environmental conditions. "
Your findings confirm many of my suspicions about these devices. I really appreciate you taking the time to explain this. Thank you.
 
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