Utah Banned Tobacco Internet Orders

[Allensmokessherlock]

EDIT: Fixed Capitalization in Title (See Rule 9)

I would like a discussion on this and any work around, for instance could a private seller buy said pipe tobacco, I am looking for plum pudding and nowhere in the state sales it, and ship it and be legally allowed?

 

[mikethompson]

Just have it shipped to your friend out of state and have them mail it to you. Unless they are physically blocking your IP address from accessing a site to order from, I think that would be the way to go.

Or, you could have it shipped to a P.O. Box in a town just over a state line and drive over and pick it up.

 

[hoosierpipeguy]

I posted Plum Pudding SR for trade in a thread a week or two ago. Has a couple of years age on it. If you don't have anything to trade, I suppose I'd sell it. PM if interested.

 

[rushx9]

Marry a few wives with out of state fam. Increase your odds of finding an in-law to ship to you???

 

[BROBS]

DESERET HAS ALL

 

[mso489]

No internet orders? How about ordering by phone or mail? Otherwise, if you are near a state line, the post office box is an option, but also an expense, the box and the gas. Over time, you might work a deal with a professional traveler that regularly comes through. Or plan an annual trip to the nearest brick and mortar, and try to combine it with recreational travel (vacationing). Meantime, compose a non-emotional one page letter spelling out your grievance, and send it to your state legislator and legislative leadership, and do that every three months until the end of time.

 

[Richmond B. Funkenhouser]

If Alabama does that.. I'll move.

 

[Chasing Embers]

That's why I have three times my body weight in tobacco. Saw this coming years ago.

 

[verporchting]

Alternatively, you have literally thousands of people here who might have what you want for sale / trade and a dedicated sub forum for that very purpose ....

Just saying. ?

 

[Akousticplyr]

More here. What the heck is a “licensed person” now?
https://tax.utah.gov/tobacco/internet

 

[mso489]

Any loopholes or wiggle room here, like viewing on a web site and then ordering by phone or even by mail? Is it the online ordering or the postal delivery that is verboten? There are lots of neighboring states; what an opportunity for convenience store owners near your border -- Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, Idaho, Nevada -- oh, the opportunity! When one door closes, another opens for someone.

 

[philobeddoe]

Did they ban Internet sales of tobacco or did they ban mail shipments of tobacco products to Utah? If they only banned “Internet sales”, just use the phone.

 

[oldgeezersmoker]

I don’t know who all carries Plum Pudding, but the law has read the same since it was passed in 2009. To my knowledge, not all of the usual on line sellers have put Utah on their “we can’t ship to...”. list. Find a lower profile seller, order a bunch on line without bringing up the subject yourself, and see what happens. If you read the underlying statute, the penalties are on the seller, not the consumer. Just keep silent if you succeed.

 

[oldgeezersmoker]

Did they ban Internet sales of tobacco or did they ban mail shipments of tobacco products to Utah? If they only banned “Internet sales”, just use the phone.

Everything. The law is not recent, and the in terorrem warnings started in 2019. The link provided by @Akousticplyr contains a link to the actual statute. Laws similar to this were passed by a number of states in the 2008-2010 time frame, but actual enforcement has, except for Washington State, been sporadic.

 

[Sonorisis]

I believe most states have such laws. My browser always warns me of that fact when I'm buying tobacco on the.... er, um,

Never mind....

 

[mso489]

Those who travel out of state for business at all regularly could order and have them shipped for pick-up at your hotel; just give the hotel a heads up. This is standard with business meeting supplies, or a convention center, though the hotel is better because they have your reservation by name.

 

[didimauw]

I'd walk as far as necessary to get my leaf...

 

[brian64]

I'd walk as far as necessary to get my leaf...

Or take a train.

 

[didimauw]

Or take a train.

Roger that!

 

[weezell]

That's why I have three times my body weight in tobacco. Saw this coming years ago.

Yep! Gotta learn how to skin the cat now...