Tragedy in France: Notre Dame Cathedral Engulfed In Flames.

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warren

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Sep 13, 2013
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Let me shoulder my way into this last car. Oops, sorry! Excuse me! I wanna see this train wreck unfold firsthand.
I'm always in my safe space. I have the means to insure that is always so. Of course, it may not be all that safe for others.

 

brian64

Lifer
Jan 31, 2011
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Brian64, that one sentence is the only one you wrote that made any sense to me.
I made a commitment to stop making sense when I became a Talking Heads fan earlier this year.
I'm glad to see I've made some progress, but not quite there yet.
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:rofl:
Damn, now it all makes sense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi7i-ZRx3nc

 

mawnansmiff

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Oct 14, 2015
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Come on guys, this should not be an opportunity for political or religious debate, we're talking of an amazingly historical building devoured by one person's negligence and how it should and will be rebuilt.
I'm a confirmed atheist yet have visited more ecclesiastical buildings than many folks I know, simply for the gorgeousness of their building qulity.
I visited and photographed such sites for no other reason than it gave me pleasure to see and to study such architecture created by folks who were likely living in mud brick hovels and living on subsistence diets.
Please, out of respect, leave the politics out of it else Javan will be out with his closure tool!
Regards,
Jay.

 

prairiedruid

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Jun 30, 2015
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Macron can say whatever he wants but it will be the Vatican that will oversee the reconstruction. My opinion is that it will be restored/reconstructed to be as close to original as possible. A good time to be a stone mason!

 

olkofri

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Sep 9, 2017
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Jay, we can try, but it's impossible not to bring in religion AND politics when discussing the destruction of a RELIGIOUS edifice within a given sociopolitical context. I respect your free will to not believe, and I appreciate that you're not pushing your atheism on others, but the fact remains that a number of us here are believers, even orthodox Catholics, such as yours truly; thus, we cannot under any circumstance ignore the prime purpose Notre Dame exists. Others can treat it as a museum or landmark if they want, but as, ironically, an atheist writer put it, "no amount of scepticism is going to legislate the truth out of existence".
Looking at Notre Dame from a purely art appreciation perspective is akin to buying a magnificent pipe just to look at it and never loading it with tobacco and firing it up. Yes, there are many who do just this: but the vast majority of pipers will never refuse to acknowledge that a pipe's raison d'etre is the smoking of tobacco, not sitting pretty in a glass case.

 

aquadoc

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Feb 15, 2017
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"Others can treat it as a museum or landmark if they want, but as, ironically, an atheist writer put it, "no amount of scepticism is going to legislate the truth out of existence"."... Ironic and hypocritical. Business as usual.

 

sablebrush52

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Others can treat it as a museum or landmark if they want, but as, ironically, an atheist writer put it, "no amount of scepticism is going to legislate the truth out of existence".
Which truth? It's a place of worship and it's also a World History site, a place of great spiritual grandeur, a witness to much history. It represents faith and power. It may have been built with blood, sweat, and treachery, but the result is a place of great spiritual uplifting. I can appreciate it for what it is without denying what went into the making of it.

 

mawnansmiff

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Oct 14, 2015
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Sunny Cornwall, UK.
"Guillermo Rein, professor of fire science at Imperial College London, told the BBC that "what the Paris firefighters did was close to a miracle".
"It's completely different to most training because all the material burning is the roof," he said.
The cathedral's roof is a complex piece of carpentry with very thin and very thick columns which are all flammable, he explained. The thin parts ignite first and then ignite thicker wood which burns for a long time. "

Blimey, it took a professor to work that one out :roll:
Regards,
Jay.

 

sablebrush52

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Pairs firefighters had been specifically trained for just such an occurrence and the training paid off.
Reading a bit on Notre Dame is fascinating. The Catholic Church doesn't own it, France does. At various points in time, it's been a Temple of Reason (which unsurprisingly lasted only a short period), and a warehouse. The main reason that it hasn't fallen into rubble is due to the popularity of a book about a fellow with bad posture. This led to major renovations in the 19th century.

 

brian64

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Jan 31, 2011
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A couple of interesting articles on it:
Notre Dame Was 15 Minutes From Destruction; Here's What Was Saved And What Was Lost
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-17/notre-dame-was-15-30-minutes-destruction-heres-what-was-saved-and-what-was-lost
And turns out I wasn't the only human on the planet to see a symbolic aspect to it after all...imagine that:
Notre Dame & The Identity Of France
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-16/notre-dame-identity-france
The main reason that it hasn't fallen into rubble is due to the popularity of a book about a fellow with bad posture.
And the bells...the bells.

 
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