Whether or not the church can afford to restore it is beside the point no? The cultural and historical significance of Notre Dame is just as significant as its religious purpose.
Tragedy in France: Notre Dame Cathedral Engulfed In Flames.
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I wonder if Forum member Tim aka 'Ashdigger' might chime in on what procedures will take place to try to determine the exact cause of the conflagration.
I find it fascinating how these cases are forensically analysed to come up with the conclusions that they do.
Regards,
Jay.
I find it fascinating how these cases are forensically analysed to come up with the conclusions that they do.
Regards,
Jay.
Saw photos/videos of that window. It will all be restored, so that only a few will be aware of what was lost forever.
Jay, based on the limited coverage I've see, I know there is a ton of it available, I'd start with the earliest video footage available.
I'd interview the crew(s) working that day and just prior to the incident.
That's the starting point.
This will be a massive undertaking, but who has that much insurance?
This is a tragedy, most likely an avoidable one.
I'd interview the crew(s) working that day and just prior to the incident.
That's the starting point.
This will be a massive undertaking, but who has that much insurance?
This is a tragedy, most likely an avoidable one.
It is hardly Notre-Dame, but a local historical courthouse in a nearby county caught fire during renovation and burnt to a shell and was later carefully restored to full use. At the time, I interpreted the fire as caused by use of a torch or power tools in the construction area with lots of sawdust on the floor and in the air. Of course, the Notre-Dame fire will be carefully studied in terms of cause, but I think many construction workers used to working on more modern buildings don't always think about the extra hazards of older, drier, more flammable reconstruction. The Notre-Dame spire was mostly oak and had been drying out since it was built in the Nineteenth Century, reports said. Much of the rest of the building dates back more like 850 years.
"Jay, based on the limited coverage I've seen, I know there is a ton of it available, I'd start with the earliest video footage available.
I'd interview the crew(s) working that day and just prior to the incident.
That's the starting point."
Thanks Tim. I should imagine amongst many tons of rubble, half burned timbers and thousands of gallons of water the investigators will have no easy task in determining the causal factor.
As for speaking to work crews, who is going to put his hands up and say "I left my blowtorch running while I went for a pee"?
Regards,
Jay.
I'd interview the crew(s) working that day and just prior to the incident.
That's the starting point."
Thanks Tim. I should imagine amongst many tons of rubble, half burned timbers and thousands of gallons of water the investigators will have no easy task in determining the causal factor.
As for speaking to work crews, who is going to put his hands up and say "I left my blowtorch running while I went for a pee"?
Regards,
Jay.
That's not as complicated as it seems. The tricky part is recovering the torch or it's components to use as evidence and proff.
Because of the nature of the structure, its historical significance, and the importance this site holds to many all over the world, I wouldn't be surprised to see that money will not be an issue, if that's what I gather you're trying to say Tim.
Tim is being, he's a professional after all, purposely vague I suspect. Fires leave patterns. Some obvious and some, very subtle. The area where the fire started should be (Note, should be) easy to pin down. Guessing that some of the best investigators in Europe will be employed in tracking down the cause(s) should (There's that word again.) it be found. But, a number of possible causes may be found or, posited.
My belief is, arson is being intentionally downplayed because the subject itself could cause more problems, civil unrest. I know the fire investigators haven't ruled such out this early in the investigation. I doubt the professionals have ruled out anything at this stage in the investigation. Only the politicians would voice such so as to dampen down any possible irresponsible responses.
First responders (No word if they were fire fighters, construction people or cathedral employees when I typed this.) found no fire when they responded the first time. I find that very interesting. A later, second alarm was required. It'll be interesting, if that report is true, to know the "why" to that.
So, all we can do is wait and keep speculation unvoiced. Let the pros do their job. After that? Well, most will accept the findings and the "conspiracy" folks can start writing their books and pontificating on TV. Good moneys to be made in that!
My belief is, arson is being intentionally downplayed because the subject itself could cause more problems, civil unrest. I know the fire investigators haven't ruled such out this early in the investigation. I doubt the professionals have ruled out anything at this stage in the investigation. Only the politicians would voice such so as to dampen down any possible irresponsible responses.
First responders (No word if they were fire fighters, construction people or cathedral employees when I typed this.) found no fire when they responded the first time. I find that very interesting. A later, second alarm was required. It'll be interesting, if that report is true, to know the "why" to that.
So, all we can do is wait and keep speculation unvoiced. Let the pros do their job. After that? Well, most will accept the findings and the "conspiracy" folks can start writing their books and pontificating on TV. Good moneys to be made in that!
Jay: It happens. Guilt is a terrific motivator.
Well, on the brighter side and with the thoughts leaning more towards restoration, I just read that French billionaire Francois Henri Pinault pledged $113 million toward reconstructing the cathedral and fellow billionaire Bernard Arnault and his LVMH group pledged $226 million. I'm sure there will be others. It's nice to see a lot of the art, the 18th century organ and religious artifacts were saved.
Notice how Arnault "one upped" the Pinault, doubling the amount? Question not the motive, simply accept the gift with gracious thanks. I just happened to notice and the cynic in me ... well, I just noticed it.
It's sad, yes, but our children will indeed see a rebuilt Notre Dame. And honestly I don't think they'll see something very different from what existed two days ago. A generation ago such things were done many times:
Vienna's Stephansdom
Munich's Frauenkirch
London's House of Commons
I'm assuming, of course, that IM Pei isn't given the commission.
That's not how the Church works. It's not a centralised corporation. Churches and parishes are locally financed, from alms, basically. The Vatican doesn't write out cheques or give subsidies.
This is even more troubling: anti-Church heathens ponying up to prop themselves up, but more
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