My epic argument with Turd-Pipe, Todd Johnson on here when he started this company sort of turned me off to them. But, to be honest, I have kept my eye on them, looking for one that might visually appeal to me, but I just haven't found one that has the right lines and shapes that I look for in a pipe. So, whether he is still involved with these pipes anymore or not, I just haven't seen one that I would buy. But, I hear that they are great smokers from lots of guys. But, for the money, there are a lot of other pipemakers that make the pipes that appeal to me.