Spigots and Army Mounts

[sparrowhawk]

Could someone explain how the spigot/army mount? And are they the same thing or different, and why?

 

[carolinachurchwarden]

From all the ones I have seen, they're essentially the same thing. You have a metal mortise attached to the shank of the pipe that you then insert the metal tenon from the stem into. I have one at home that's a Nording Churchwarden. I believe that the terms basically describe the same style of fitting, but every brand is different. I think Peterson calls there's a spigot.

 

[unkleyoda]

Both are 'army mounts', the difference is a spigot has a metal tenon. They are both designed to be pulled apart while hot.
I love army mounts, specifically silver spigots. Also, all Peterson System pipes are army mounts.

I have a small collection of silver spigots, The one on the right is gold mounted.

 

[workman]

I think spigot is a fit with metal on both stem and shank. Army mount only has metal on the shank. I have seen Dunhills and Castellos with acrylic army mounts as well, so I guess it doesn't have to be metal.

 

[sparrowhawk]

weren't these developed during WWII, when soldiers needed to pull the pipe apart and pocket them when they were called to action?

 

[JimInks]

World War One is what I always heard.

 

[workman]

So the story goes, but I think it was WWI. They supposedly reinforced the shank with a bullet casing.

 

[Chasing Embers]

Then you have pseudo military mounts. A military stem that goes into a briar shank.

 

[workman]

How is that pseudo?

 

[Chasing Embers]

The story I've heard is that a stem broke out of a shank and the shank was reinforced with a casing so the pipe could still be smoked.

 

[Chasing Embers]

How is that pseudo?

Some have it where the stem goes into metal with a friction fit.

 

[workman]

I see

 

[Chasing Embers]

Sort of like a pipe with a vulcanite ferule.

 

[carolinachurchwarden]

Okay, this is the part I never understood about the whole "reinforced with a bullet casing" thing. A casing has one end closed, where the primer is located. So, how does a guy in a trench take the back part of a bullet casing off? You need a hole that goes all the way through, right?

 

[Chasing Embers]

You can use a punch or a pin with a hammer to knock out a brass primer.

 

[Chasing Embers]

I love these!

 

[crashthegrey]

So army mount is reinforced shank with friction fit stem, spigot is metal on metal. Not always metal but reinforced. The "psuedo" is a traditional tenon without friction fit. The story is likely BS, as many of these stories are. But pipes are often made with a casing anyway and it is awesome.

 

[blueeyedogre]

I have been looking for a small army mount for years. Under 5” with a small bowl. Probably going to be custom made.

 

[ssjones]

My lone Spigot, a James Upshall higher-grade B. It's pretty small, which was definitely part of the appeal.

 

[snagstangl]

Wasn't Petersons system a army mount patented in 1890 or something? Quite a few years before WWI.