No,I haven't tried that. The only SPC I tried is the Plum Pudding Special Reserve edition (plug cut). It's the first time I ever had plug cut and I am not a fan of plug cuts in general.No idea, but I love that stuff myself and seem to go through it pretty quickly , I’ll be keeping an eye on this thread.
I know we all have different tastes , but I also seem to go through a lot of SPC Wildman , have you tried that?
inquiring minds want to know…
Noted, On some of the reviews I’ve heard English #1 referred to as “ the poor man’s Penzance” which is a pretty tall order…I saw on another forum that for a bulk blend that “ Balkan supreme” hits some of the same notes as the elusive penzance but as I can only compare it to English #1 I tend to agree as even the tin of # 1 says a Balkan style English. I have got a few oz.of Balkan supreme and though it is a ribbon cut so of course a bit drier it does the job and is much more economical. Definitely liked a lot around here , maybe begin there?No,I haven't tried that. The only SPC I tried is the Plum Pudding Special Reserve edition (plug cut). It's the first time I ever had plug cut and I am not a fan of plug cuts in general.
Regardless, I'm trying to quit cigarettes and transition to just pipe smoking, and I could smoke English #1 all day long (favorite so far). That's why I am looking for something that tastes similar, but available in bulk to use as my go-to, all day smoke, because it wouldn't be very cost-effective to smoke 3-4+ bowls a day of the English #1.
I know there's bulk English and Balkans available, and I am sure I could find something I would enjoy smoking all day at 10 minutes a pop every 30-50 minutes, but I want to find one similar (in taste and strength) to the aforementioned if it's possible. Though I do realize it won't be exactly the same, it doesn't have to taste perfectly identical, just close.
Otherwise, I have to read reviews and dig through a ton of bulk English/Balkan and buy a bunch of 1oz bags to try and start hunting. That in itself I wouldn't mind doing if I already had a go-to all day blend (for me) to use while I hunt other possibilities.
What I'm looking for is similar flavor and strength, cut is irrelevant (as long as not rope or plug), and available in bulk.Maybe Watch City? They have several good bulk English/Balkan blends that are basically crumble cake sliced into flake form. One of theirs might work for you:
- Ahab's Comfort
I'll report back with what I think is closest to me starting with a basic profile of what I get out of English #1, and then how each compares to that. It's going to be a little while though, the order hasn't even shipped yet.
Very nice breakdown as a fan of English #1 I’ll definitely give BS 759 a try. I have a long road trip coming up and I don’t want to be stranded without a medium englishI know it is a day earlier than I said but, I took such careful notes of the English #1 and it's still so fresh in my mind that I decided to do the last two comparisons today (gave myself plenty of time between each to reset). On both pipes used, shank, stem and draught hole were cleaned with alcohol (Everclear 190) the night before, so every smoke was as fresh and clean as possible beyond using a completely new pipe (and neither pipe is ghosted by anything).
Here, my "Overall Impressions" (in the full breakdown) will include flavor comparison to English #1.
It's kind of funny, I've seen both English #1 and G. L. Pease Quiet Nights both compared to and called "a poor man's Penzance", so you would think they would be similar to each other, but to me they are both way different. So I wasn't sure how various recommendations would go.
I smoked the Arango and the Sutliff Match BS 759 in my Savinelli prince and the English #1 and Sutliff Match BSOM were in my Lorenzetti billiard. I need to revisit BSOM in the Sav, my billiard has a tendency to stack flavors in ribbon cuts more than the Sav does. However English #1 tastes the same regardless of which pipe I use.
The Short Version:The closest was Sultiff Match BS 759, by a relatively wide margin over the other two, and I don't think that I'll find anything closer.
Arango Balkan Supreme isn't even close with an almost pure musky leather base note that's muskier than English #1, and basically none of the sweetness or tanginess, lighter overall flavor and a weaker nicotine hit. Match score: 2/10.
Sutliff Match B.S.O.M. has almost exactly the same lightly musky slightly tangy leathery base note, and some of the same kind of sweetness as English #1 but to a lesser degree and a little more towards citrus than honey. Adds in a smokey taste that is mildly peppery which isn't in the English #1 to me. Has a slightly weaker nic hit, but surprisingly higher than expected for the lack of burley. Match Score: 5/10.
Sultiff Match BS 759 is the one I had highest hopes for as it smelled most similar to English #1 upon opening the bag. These hopes proved correct and I would almost describe this as an English #1 that's a little less smooth and with a bit of a kick. Nearly identical base note and very similar overtones, similar flavor and nicotine strength. Match score 8/10.
A longer, more detailed breakdown:
Arango Balkan SupremeOverall Impressions: Very light taste, far from sweet and only lightly savory. Almost a pure musky leather taste. Compared to English #1, much more leathery tasting, much lighter, no tanginess in the leathery taste, slightly herbal/floral. Less complex, less sweet. Not really comparable to English #1 at all, and not a viable bulk replacement to me.
Primary Note(s): leather, heavier on the tongue than retro-nasal during draw, but lingers equally on both in aftertaste.
Overtones: mildly herbal/nutty, more detectable on the retro-nasal palate than tongue during initial draw, but trail off very quickly, leaving just the primary leather note to linger, not very detectable on mouth palate. Weaker than the primary notes, but still a separate tone rather than coloring tone.
Undertones: almost none that I can detect, maybe a slight hint of smokiness, equally detectable in mouth and retro-nasal palates, lingers on the retro-nasal longer than the overtones, but still fades quickly, lingers longer on the mouth palate than retro-nasal. Very much just a coloring tone rather than a separate tone unto itself.
Overall Tone: medium dark, thin/light, very smooth. Consistent flavor start to finish. Mild-medium nicotine hit (slightly less than English #1 though), mild on flavor. Flavor strength fades very fast with little aftertaste beyond some extremely mild leather and smoke taste. Does not burn on the nose, shouldn't be fatiguing. Tastes not present: sweet, tang, spice, pepper.
Sutliff Match B.S.O.M.Overall Impressions: Much closer to the English #1 than the Arango, but still not quite there. More complex than Arango, less than English #1. Has some similar sweetness to English #1 but in lower levels and less evenly distributed (probably due to it being a ribbon cut vs cake and the fact that my billiard seems to stack rather than blend flavors like my prince). Has a subtle spiciness to the smoke flavor that English #1 doesn't have, and lacks the tangy element of English #1. I probably should have used a pipe with a wider bowl, as each draw is a gamble as to whether I am going to be hit with a citrusy sweetness, or a peppery smokiness. A much more viable candidate than the Arango, might need to try it again in a wider pipe bowl. A little bit brighter than English #1, but still in that darker tone area.
Primary Note(s): savory leather.
Overtones: a spicy/peppery smoke flavor that at times overpowers the musky leather taste and at times lingers a little too long, especially on the tongue, but will fade away leaving the leathery taste.
Undertones: a mildly sweet citrus-floral kind of taste, undertones fade rapidly and more detectable retro-nasally than on the tongue, but sometimes they stick around and some color to the musky leather.
Overall Tone: medium, moderate thickness, medium nic hit (surprising considering it lacks the burley found in English #1), and medium taste strength. Slightly uneven flavor that's a little on the rougher side of smooth. Aftertaste lingers slightly longer than English #1. Lingering aftertaste of musky leather colored by a citrusy sweetness. Does not burn the nose. Flavor not present: tangy, nutty, herbal.
Sutliff Match B.S. 759Overall Impressions: I think we have a winner for this round. The leather note is almost identical to English #1 in sweetness vs muskiness, with extremely similar overtones, with additional tones not present in English #1 being very subtle undertones. If I were pressed to describe it, I would almost say it's like a slightly differently colored, spicier English #1.
Primary Note(s): savory leather
Overtones: dark brown sugar or molasses kind of sweetness, primarily on the tongue and less so retro-nasally and stronger at the beginning of the draw, with a floral woody taste present equally on both palates that lingers longer in the nose while the sweetness lingers longer on the tongue.
Undertones: the most subtle peppery spiciness, only detected on the tongue and doesn't linger at all, solely a coloring tone and not a tone unto itself, and an even more subtle—almost nonexistent—tanginess.
Overall Tone: medium dark, moderately thick, consistent from start to finish with a medium nic-hit. Doesn't burn the nose and aftertaste lingers just a little. Flavor not detected: smokey or nutty.
You might get different qualities than I did, definitely let me know what you think if you do try it, as whether you agree it's fairly similar to English #1 or not, or if you agree with my general statement that it's like a spicier and rougher version of it.Very nice breakdown as a fan of English #1 I’ll definitely give BS 759 a try. I have a long road trip coming up and I don’t want to be stranded without a medium english
I was gifted some aged 3 years I’ll try it out. All the HH stuff I’ve tasted is grand ,complex, and full bodied …