Seeking Info on a 1950s or 1960s Red Root

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Joe H

Starting to Get Obsessed
May 22, 2024
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I have a pipe that’s a bit of a mystery to me and I’m hoping someone here might be able to shed some insight on it. The pipe is pictured below and I’m happy to provide additional information or photos. Here’s what I know about the pipe: I received the pipe from my dad in the mid-1990s. He’d used it heavily for who knows how long prior to giving up smoking in the mid-1970s – I’d guess he smoked it in excess of 10 years at least. When I received it, the sand-blasted bowl was almost completely coated in a thick black shiny coating of what I guess was paint. It reminded me of what used to be called a “Japanned finish.” The bowl had a few spots on the sides where red wood showed through from what appeared to be years of pocket wear. It showed signs of heavy use, the chamber cake was pretty thick and it was one of his “work pipes” in Alaska when he did contract clearing and survey work for the Territory and later the State of Alaska. The bent shape was useful when peering through a transit or other optical instruments.

The only writing on the pipe was the phrase “RED ROOT” over “Imported Briar” or “Italian Briar” stamped on the shank (I can’t recall). It was stamped in block letters, no script. I refinished the pipe about 10 years ago because it was just plain ugly. While sanding the black coating I discovered pretty reddish briar underneath so only removed the high spots leaving the black coating in the deeper cracks and contours. The final color is just waxed – no stain of any kind. I asked my dad back in the 90s who made the pipe and he said he thought it was a brand of Kaywoodie used for inferior bowls that had to be covered up to be sold. According to the Pipephil website, the Red Root line was introduced by Kaywoodie in 1976, but I believe dad must have owned this pipe sometime in the 1950s or certainly the 1960s.

So what does the collective knowledge of Pipe Magazine think? Was there a “Red Root” pipe company before the Kaywoodie 1970s incarnation? All of the Red Root pipes I see on-line have fancy stems, but this one is plain, with a screw-in fitment. It doesn’t have a Kaywoodie style stinger but I suppose that could have been cut off. Dad didn’t cut off any of his Kaywoodie stingers, and if this one was cut off, it looks like a very clean job.

Anyway, any suggestions comments or links worth searching would sincerely be appreciated. Thanks!
 

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Joe H

Starting to Get Obsessed
May 22, 2024
127
953
Alaska
Thanks for the kind words! It’s always interesting to me when confronted with a mystery in his day and age of almost unlimited information available via the internet. Here’s a few more clues I found on-line:

The Wally Frank pipe company imported a brand of Macedonian briar pipes labeled Red Root, exact dates unknown, but early 1940s catalogs have examples. The examples I found on-line looked far too grand to be related to my humble pipe. I suppose it is possible dud bowls of this line were given a quick sand-blasting, painted and sold in the US as basket pipes without the Frank script stamp. The Frank Red Root line did include a bent model (shape #12), but none of the examples I could find appeared to have screw-in fitments.

Of course, the Kaywoodie Red Roots (vintage and modern production) all look like push in stems as well, so the mystery continues.
 
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Joe H

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Thank you for the suggestions. I’ll look at the vintage offerings of LHS and Comoy models and post if I see anything that looks like it might match.
 

Joe H

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May 22, 2024
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Thanks to all above foe the additional information! I just checked back into this thread and saw these great responses. At this point I'm coming to the conclusion that when dad said he thought it was a Kaywoodie second (that was in the mid-90s), that was a good guess, except this pipe pre-dated the Kaywoodie Red Root series by 10 or 20 years. It's probably a second (based on the lack of brand stamping and heavy black finish), but more likely to be a Frank or one of the others mentioned above.

Yes, I am sure the stem lost some of its bend (good eye!); when I got it, the stem was overclocked and when viewed from the front, curved like a banana. To get it symmetrical, I had to heat out the aluminum bit in the shank do a bit of filing, and glue it back in. It probably spent some time in a back pants pocket or something. I need to read up on rebending vulcanite stems. It would hang a bit better with more bend.
 
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Joe H

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May 22, 2024
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Thank you again for the tips! Using them I did much on-line research and I am much more familiar now with Wally Frank, LHS and Comoy’s pipes with aluminum screw-in fitments. The closest match I could find was an LHS version (the first picture below). The short smooth segment of the screw where the aluminum enters the stem was unusual during my searches. The second picture looks again much like the one in dad’s pipe if the stinger portion was removed from the threads. It looks like the stinger is a push fit into the threads to me.

The Wally Frank company used a whole slew of different aluminum screw-and push-in systems. Prior to this most recent search I hadn’t thought to do a search based on stem attachment systems. Many of the LHS screw-in systems resemble dad’s pipe’s system. Pipedia has copies of old LHS adds that show what appear to be LHS seconds sold in bulk (like 36 pipes for $5.25!). I imagine Wally Frank moved pipes around in sufficient numbers to have similar bulk offers. Probably a tobacconist up here in Alaska ordered some seconds for his shop and that's where dad got it. The recommended resale for the bulk pipes was .25 cents each. That was definitely in dad's range.

Good info exists on-line regarding Comoy’s seconds and none match my pipe. Being an English brand, dad was unlikely to have bought any pipe that wasn’t easily available in the US in general, and territorial Alaska in particular. I think Comoy’s is unlikely but WF and LHS are possible. Dad did once have an LHS pipe I believe, as I found an LHS pipe bag (a Sterncrest 14K) in a box of 1940s Era odds and ends. That pipe may turn up one of these days…

All 3 brands offered rusticated pipes with dark/black stains.

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Joe H

Starting to Get Obsessed
May 22, 2024
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Alaska
Thanks for chiming in with the great photos! Both are great looking pipes. I'll post one last picture of my mystery red root. I just found this picture on my computer. It's a few years old, taken after I refinished it, but before I oxy-cleaned the stem. It looks a lot better to me now than it did when it was coated in the thick black paint.mystery red root.jpg
 
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