Prominent Women Pipe Smokers

[jmill208]

Smoking in general is quickly finding itself outside the "norm" so damned be the norms. And, damned be the opinions that make up these norms. Do what you love to do, and don't worry what anyone else thinks.

Thanks. I'm going to go pee in my yard.

 

[steyrshrek]

Hey like Phil from Duck Dynasty says "never buy a house where you can't pee in your own backyard".

 

[bphilli75]

I think if pipe manufacturers and carvers did more to target the female market, there would maybe be more women pipe smokers. In my humble opinion, most pipes just look masculine.

 

[bphilli75]

I just had another thought on this. Feminine looking pipes could be paired with Lakeland blends, like Ennerdale Flake as a ladies starter kit.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

Tsuge makes a line of pipes with flowers and Amorelli makes some with flowers and various scenes laser etched into the bowl. Meer queen, and ... Well, there are a lot of pipes that are designed to appeal to women. My oldest daughter has a collection, but she seems to switch more back and forth with death nails. I'd much rather see her enjoying her pipes, for health reasons of course. She does occasionally break out a fruity aromatic to join me on the front porch in the evenings. I like to think that I had some affect on her opinions-of-others-be-damned attitude, ha ha. You only have one life, live it like you want.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

Ha, and I piss in my yard anytime I want. That's a given ::

 

[kcvet67]

I think if pipe manufacturers and carvers did more to target the female market, there would maybe be more women pipe smokers. In my humble opinion, most pipes just look masculine.

A number of companies tried this back in the '60s and '70s. The idea was an abysmal failure. The women who were inclined to try pipes wanted real pipes, not rhinestone-crusted toys. A few tried making smaller versions of traditional shapes with some success.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

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There are quite a few more companies that continue marketing pipes to women. I see just about as many women come into The Briary and buy pipes or tobaccos. Yeh, I think a lot of them prefer general pipes, without all of the frillies, but I've seen his merchandise move, to my astonishment. I've also seen quite a few artisan made pipes move through that were custom made for a particular woman.

Heck, if they keep the B&M's open and well stocked by being open to women smokers, then more power to them. Besides, they are usually way better looking to hang out with in the smoking lounge than some grubby guy like myself, ha ha.

 

[shutterbugg]

Didn't Tugboat Annie smoke a pipe? And I'm almost sure the Sea Hag on Popeye did.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

After reading through, I think I get a grasp on the dissent. Some guys just want to let us know that a female smoking a pipe doesn't turn them on. Ha ha, and I guess that means the girls on here can breath a little easier knowing that these guys won't be hitting on them.

Just having a female to join us in a pipe still seems ok. I can honestly say that I've never been attracted to a single guy that I've hung out with while smoking pipes, ha ha. And, I still smoke pipes with them. ::

 

[jessicac]

If any of the companies produce a pink pipe with ponies on the side and glitter finish, I would most likely commit pipe-ocide, then I would grab an ebony one instead.
I don't think I've been attracted to a single guy smoking pipes either. Lol

 

[mso489]

I presume most men who smoke pipes enjoy the idea that it is a male thing. Puff-puff. Still, I can't think of a

single thing about smoking a pipe that is gender specific, beyond image, which is a function of mind and

attitude. Guys, a bit of semantic info, just so you know; a fair percent of women, maybe a majority, recoil

at the term "lady," or, "ladylike," etc. Why you ask. It is, to them, a classist term referring to and distinguishing

the gentry, but it also puts women on a pedestal and deprives them of their political and intellectual equality.

I slip, sometimes, but I understand the point. Millicent Fenwick is something. I would have liked to have had coffee

with her, and a pipe. Forum women pipe smokers, correct me if/where I'm wrong.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

I hadn't thought of that MSO. I had to go back and reread my posts to make sure I wasn't depriving anyone. I think that in having the mass majority of my customer base being women, I have just adjusted. Lady, to me brings up images of coy, submissive, and conservative attire. I don't think of this with my daughters. Mine carry firearms, drive tractors, work with me in the studio, and dye their hair different colors every weekend. I'm not worried about them. They'll do well in the world. If they take up the hobby to the extent that I do, I'll be proud. If not, then I'll be proud of whatever they do.
@jessicac, so you're not excited about the new line of Savinellis based on the Disney princesses? ha ha.

 

[jessicac]

Cosmic, you raised them right
My response to Disney Princesses]My response to Disney princesses
Also, its true, personally I've always cringed whenever I was told I should be more "ladylike". Maybe taking up the pipe is a subconscious rebellion against what I believe to be outdated attitudes, but it still is considered by the majority as a traditionally masculine (and I use these terms without reference to gender/sex) activity. The point being that any attempts to market to my demographic a product that is traditionally masculine or has no modern basis on gender using girly imagery would most likely fail. Look up the "Bic for Her" product as an example.
Personally, I have disliked most things that are "girly" and have been accused many a time of "trying to be a man".

But going back to the crux of this, if I see another woman smoking a pipe, I'd be all "Sisters!!!" and if its a guy, I'd consider myself a "Briar brother".

 

[claypipesarchaeologist]

jessicac: It's not everyday that I find someone who can talk about masculinity and femininity as separate entities from sex and gender :clap:

 

[jessicac]

Cheers Clay. I see them as independent traits, I'm a woman that is into many masculine activities, but show me a puppy and I'm uber feminine.

 

[judcole]

That's quite the can of worms...

I haven't seen very many examples of "boys will be what they were told to be" instead of "boys will be boys".

It's not a can of worms to anyone who knows anything about child development. Children learn from the adults who are around them. They start learning very, very early. "Boys will be boys" is all learned behavior. A 1 week old infant doesn't know that, in our culture, boys are supposed to play with toy cars,and girls with dolls; or that pink is for girls and blue is for boys. (Did you know that didn't start until the 1940s? In 1918, Ladies' Home Journal wrote that pink is a "strong" color, more suitable for boys, while blue is "dainty" and better for girls. Link)

If a woman wants to smoke a pipe, good for her. Personally, I think dresses on men look funny, but I am well aware that's cultural bias.

 

[jessicac]

High five Jud!!!

 

[newbroom]

My Ex has been chain smoking cigs for most of her adult life. Since I've discovered the joys of the pipe I've encouraged her to give it a try. She's a stubborn German/Irish mix and ANYthing I suggest is doomed to rejection.
I did send her the neat pic of Millie that appears in this thread.

 

[mso489]

Both my late wife and my living wife were heavy smokers. My living wife was a Camels smoker, and I'm

glad she quit many years ago.