Premium Cigar Industry Wins Case Against FDA

[blackpowderpiper]

The Ukrainian military is not only defending their sovereignty and their people, but destroying the military capabilities and revealing the weaknesses of an enemy foreign power - Russia, by the way, is openly hostile to the United States - so what is there to lose by giving them a bunch or surplus hardware to fight with? We get to field test our gear and collect data on it while they fight our enemy for us. I'm not seeing the downside, here. I really just don't understand the arguments against arming Ukraine, aside from a pro-Russian standpoint.

If only we could have given the Ukranian military all the equipment and weapons that were left in Afghanistan after the withdrawal.

 

[anotherbob]

But arsenic is what made tobacco taste so good back in the day!

put pep in your step too, well until it killed you

 

[woodsroad]

It's interesting to me that some folks express skepticism towards bureaucracy (which is indeed warranted), but don't seem to question the integrity of private entities in the same way. Do you think that a corporation whose execs answer to a board of shareholders has your best interests and wellbeing in mind? Most would gladly sell you something that kills you if it benefits their bottom line and they can avoid any real accountability. That's the heavy hand of corporate influence on political-economic discourse, for you.

OK, so you are making a strawman argument here. Did I say that I trusted private companies? The beef is that the government is SUPPOSED to be here to help you. They are SUPPOSED to serve the interests of the public. They are SUPPOSED to be subordinate to the electorate. Not so with corporations. So when the government acts less like a public servant and more like Public Enemy No. 1, well...it's a bit disappointing.

 

[ParkitoATL]

I don't trust our government in even the smallest measure. What I am confident about is that, regardless of party affiliation, government is more concerned with profit and power than your welfare.

I think more and more people are beginning to understand that it's not Left vs Right, it's the People vs Institutionalized Power.

 

[FurCoat]

Yes...and the FDA coined the 3 scariest words: safe and effective.

You tell it brother

 

[FurCoat]

I think more and more people are beginning to understand that it's not Left vs Right, it's the People vs Institutionalized Power.

Yup and yup

 

[bent1]

Can the industry sue the FDA for costs associated with the case?

 

[FurCoat]

I for one am glad to have stocked up on gallons of lead additive while it was available, not that lead substitute garbage. I have cars that require it and it is quite tasty on a Virginia flake. Now I don't go dipping it in the container. Just rub a drop or two on the palm of your hands before rubbing out the flake.

 

[FurCoat]

Can the industry sue the FDA for costs associated with the case?

I'm sure of it but it won't go far since the are a part of the system that owns the judiciary.

 

[Lumbridge]

OK, so you are making a strawman argument here. Did I say that I trusted private companies? The beef is that the government is SUPPOSED to be here to help you. They are SUPPOSED to serve the interests of the public. They are SUPPOSED to be subordinate to the electorate. Not so with corporations. So when the government acts less like a public servant and more like Public Enemy No. 1, well...it's a bit disappointing.

It was a generalized observation regarding anarcho-capitalist arguments against any and all government regulation of private entities, not an attack on you, but I understand why it came across that way. I think we're on the same page now, though. The FDA does not always function as intended, but I'd rather have imperfect regulation than zero regulation. Politics has become a business rather than a public service, and that's a problem for everyone.

 

[FurCoat]

The Ukrainian military is not only defending their sovereignty and their people, but destroying the military capabilities and revealing the weaknesses of an enemy foreign power - Russia, by the way, is openly hostile to the United States - so what is there to lose by giving them a bunch or surplus hardware to fight with? We get to field test our gear and collect data on it while they fight our enemy for us. I'm not seeing the downside, here. I really just don't understand the arguments against arming Ukraine, aside from a pro-Russian standpoint.

Yeah, that's what the MSM kerps saying, and I still don't buy it.

 

[Lumbridge]

Yeah, that's what the MSM kerps saying, and I still don't buy it.

And the RSM (Russian State Media) says that ending the war "special military operation" is easy - all Ukraine has to do is surrender everything and once again become subservient to, or a part of, Russia.
What if the United States were invaded by a foreign country? Would we not have the right to fight back to maintain our independence?

 

[bent1]

It's interesting to me that some folks express skepticism towards bureaucracy (which is indeed warranted), but don't seem to question the integrity of private entities in the same way. Do you think that a corporation whose execs answer to a board of shareholders has your best interests and wellbeing in mind? Most would gladly sell you something that kills you if it benefits their bottom line and they can avoid any real accountability. That's the heavy hand of corporate influence on political-economic discourse, for you.

Bull. To say that most would ’gladly’ sell you something that kills for bottom line is the same as saying all government actions are evil.

 

[Doctor Chopper]

This ruling does not apply to pipe tobacco but may set an important precedent for future legislation.

 

[blackpowderpiper]

Thanks for getting this thread back on topic Doc. I think we kind of veered off a bit.

 

[FurCoat]

And the RSM (Russian State Media) says that ending the war "special military operation" is easy - all Ukraine has to do is surrender everything and once again become subservient to, or a part of, Russia.
What if the United States were invaded by a foreign country? Would we not have the right to fight back to maintain our independence?

Of course we have the right to defend ourselves and they have their right also. I guess my point is I couldn't care less about the war going on over there. Blah blah blah Russia, blah blah blah Ukraine and if you support this side or that side you're a this or a that. I'm not playing. If Ukraine falls, Hunter will just have to find somewhere else to launder the big guys money.

 

[tobakenist]

I thought we were pipe men not pipe bomb men.

 

[vosBghos]

I don't trust our government in even the smallest measure. What I am confident about is that, regardless of party affiliation, government is more concerned with profit and power than your welfare.

Funny you mention welfare as WelFare is probably one of the worst things you can do for the poor. I agree that our actual welfare is usually the last thing on a politician's mind. People keep calling it a Plutocracy when in reality it's a Kakistocracy.

 

[snagstangl]

In before the lock.

 

[Terry Lennox]

Back on topic--what is the status of the new pipe blends that came out after the deeming cutoff year? It seems there is no issue with manufacturers releasing new blends. Would appreciate any info people in the industry may have.