It could be the FDA, and even if it isn't, what better way to shut off pesky discussion than by declaring that the FDA is making them do it.
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Yeh, so he says it would be illegal. I don't believe it, but yeh, it shuts down the conversation. I mean, I could buy up to two thousand worth, and maybe a few others night want to add a few orders to the list, but...
I put my money where my mouth is, but...
Hell, what makes me mad is that even if you have the money, there's no one with enough of the high nicotine blends in stock to be able to make it happen.
Rustica seeds... placing my order now.
While I loved Picayune, I mostly bought many of the other D&R blends because I really like Mark's personality and his willingness to help me in growing Virginias, getting me names and contacts of people to ask questions. I'm not so sure I would really stock up on D&R without Mark in the picture.
It was upon hearing Mark talk about small boutique blends like gourmet wines, and his saving the perique industry by using reasonable wages and employment benefits to keep good workers that first set me off on my love for D&R.
It was upon hearing Mark talk about small boutique blends like gourmet wines, and his saving the perique industry by using reasonable wages and employment benefits to keep good workers that first set me off on my love for D&R.
I just got word from one of our resident tobacconists (I don't want to throw him under the bus) that Tom is full of shit.
If those five blends don't meet FDA deeming regs, then none of the D&R blends do.
If those five blends don't meet FDA deeming regs, then none of the D&R blends do.
On Tobacco Reviews, the earliest date I found for a review was 2011. So the statement that it couldn’t be grandfathered might just be the truth. I am told that there might be more flexibility in the substantial equivalence provisions than was originally thought when the rules were first promulgated, but, as many have previously stated, Picayune was unique.
if you are curious about what the FDA paperwork requires, one Vape manufacturer has described the experience of successfully filing for a Pre Marketing Tobacco Application.
Read about it here.
if you are curious about what the FDA paperwork requires, one Vape manufacturer has described the experience of successfully filing for a Pre Marketing Tobacco Application.
Read about it here.
I don't doubt that Picayune wasn't released before that date. But, there's no mention of any D&R blends before then either.
Email sent... I'm in full Karen mode!
There are as far as I can tell three ways to legally sell blends. In order of paperwork burdens, from least to most onerous and expensive, they are
(1) Grandfathering
(2) Substantally Equivalent
(3) Pre Marketing Tobacco Application
I wouldn’t be calling anyone full of shit without talking to the company’s legal counsel, particularly if my best source was a tobacconist.
I believe that, too. That was why you got a qualified answer from me about why Picayune isn't being made.
side note kicking myself that I didn't just order the tub. That tin seems to evaporate pretty fast.
Give 'em hell. That blend is good.
Russ gave me a recipe to try. It was just off the top of his head, but...
50-60% Five Brothers
20% Three Sails
10% perique
round it out with some Samsun.
I am not sure where to get Samsun... I am guessing that Three Sails is the D&R product.
I'll give this a try, but I can't imagine that Five Brothers would give it enough kick to equal the kick of Picayune. But, I'm going to try this and get back to you.
Anyone know where to get Samsun?
50-60% Five Brothers
20% Three Sails
10% perique
round it out with some Samsun.
I am not sure where to get Samsun... I am guessing that Three Sails is the D&R product.
I'll give this a try, but I can't imagine that Five Brothers would give it enough kick to equal the kick of Picayune. But, I'm going to try this and get back to you.
Anyone know where to get Samsun?
Whole Leaf sells Basma and Katerini, and you can get bulk Izmir ribbon cut from C&D, but I haven't seen any Samsun commercially available. My buddy in BC grew some Samsun in his backyard a couple years ago that was pretty tasty, he got the seeds off of Ebay.
Leafonly seems to have whole leaf Samsun in stock.
Thank you, yeh, I just found some seeds, but I was hoping to get some mixed and tried long before November which is the soonest I could get some from dirt to pipe. I will look into this.
I wonder what type of burley 5Bro's is. I have some homegrown burley set aside...
A couple months back I enlisted jiminks to help deconstruct Picayune for home blenders. This was his suggestion:
- 20% Flue Cured Gold VA
- 40% Dark Fired Burley
- 15% St. James Perique
- 25% Samsun Oriental
I'm going to attempt to grow some Orientals again this year, the first year I tried, all the seedlings died because I over watered. Last year, my cat destroyed the entire tray of seedlings. This thread reminded me that I have some seeds from the Samsun my buddy grew that I liked.??
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I will definitely try this also. Especially if it has the jiminks qualifier. Thanks!!
@canucklehead Also seedlings need a constant light breeze. This will prevent dampening, which is a fungal infection. I also have noticed that this gives me much stronger stalks from the get go. I use a small old computer fan on mine. Also, I keep mine covered with saran wrap till they are strong enough to transplant to seedling trays. I don't really water them till they get in trays.
Isn't it amazing that you can start a whole field of tobacco in a small bowl?
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