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Our featured interview on tonight’s Pipes Magazine Radio Show is with Barry Kane. Barry started smoking a pipe in 1961 when he was 14-years old. Back then it seemed like everybody smoked, and you could buy pipes and tobacco just about anywhere. Barry is a true old-school pipe smoker, sticking to just one blend. See if you can guess which one before listening. At the top of the show Brian will give his take on Scandinavian Tobacco Group’s purchase of Mac Baren and Sutliff Tobacco and their announcement that they will be shut down.

The show airs every Tuesday at 8:00pm eastern US time, and can be found at PipesMagazine.com and all podcast apps.

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N8theGr8

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I completely agree with you on what we should do regarding STG. I've been on their website looking for a list of all the blends they manufacture/market/sell etc., but it does not list all of them. Does such a list exist? I do not want to give them any of my money if they are going to put hundreds of people out of a job.
 

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When it comes to the STG rant, I understand the gloom, but I'd like to offer the doom a counterpoint. There's nothing worse than a legendary or historic brand taking a turn for the worst, and it's exactly what Mac Baren was set to do after the death of HH. They canned Per Jensen, had plans to back off the pipe tobacco market, and in general they were headed down a path of roll-your-own quantity as opposed to their historic demands for quality. As much as it sucks that they got gobbled up, it would've been worse to watch their reputation descend to that of a shit product.

Louis C. K. once joked that whenever someone told him they were getting a divorce, he congratulated them. Bewildered, they'd ask why he'd congratulate such a thing and he'd respond that he never knew anybody who, in the midst of a happy marriage, decided to call it quits. Selling a company is much the same.

STG already handles the production of Escudo and Salty Dogs and a slew of other tobaccos that would rank in my favorites, your favorites, and most everyone else's too. Sutliff, on the other hand? That recent coin release was spectacular, but apart from that I've never heard of anyone evangelizing the leaves tinned by Henry Sutliff. Even still, STG can't afford to dismantle the historicity that exists in Mac Baren and Sutliff. If they now own two brands whose claims to fame last over a century apiece, then even the "bean counters" will understand the benefit of such an accolade.

Thanks to an untimely and unwelcome layoff in finance, I happened to work in the retail end of the beverage industry at the time the craft beer boom found its apex. The big guys began buying the more reputable craft establishments and it set the whole drinky drink community into an uproar - myself included. I hated the idea that these corporate behemoths were scooping up my beloved craft brands. Specifically, as a South Carolinian, I hated that this trend laid claim to some of my local favorites. Coors bought Terrapin (Athens, GA) and Wicked Weed (Asheville, NC) was gobbled up by Anheuser Busch.

I could've sworn at the time that this would be the end of my beloved local brands. What I didn't see at the time was that these behemoths had the one thing that the craft joints never did: money. Sure, several breweries acquired by the big guys turned to garbage. But at the same rate, brands like Terrapin and Wicked Weed happened to flourish because the influx of capital allowed them to explore the market in a way that was previously unforeseen. Did they have to release junk beers that appealed to the masses? Sure. But they were also granted the ability to dig deeper into the small-batch goodies that appealed to folks like me.

In my opinion, the key factor here is that Mac Baren and Sutliff were bastions of a small-fish market: pipe tobacco. As long as that remained the case, they'd remain beholden to the ebbs and flows of that already-insecure market. By being acquired by a cigar-owning company, it gives them security and longevity. Cigars have been more stable and lucrative than pipes for longer than I've been alive and that doesn't appear likely to change within my lifetime. Amid any bad news, that's still a good thing. Because if pipe tobacco goes the way of craft beer and finds a mechanism by which it might experience a boom, then they're already owned by a corporation who can siphon capital into them to take advantage of the moment.

Anywho, I've been ranting myself for far too long so I'll end on this point: Even John D. Rockefeller, in an age before laws would prevent actively sinister competition practices in order to absorb competitors, was unable to cement a full-blown monopoly on the oil market. Despite his excessive efforts, competitors still sprang up when the moments were right. Given that humans have been smoking tobacco for 10,000+ years (see Iain Gately's history of tobacco) it's unlikely that any corporation - sinister or not - can or would pull off an obliteration of the market.
 
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When it comes to the STG rant, I understand the gloom, but I'd like to offer the doom a counterpoint. There's nothing worse than a legendary or historic brand taking a turn for the worst, and it's exactly what Mac Baren was set to do after the death of HH. They canned Per Jensen, had plans to back off the pipe tobacco market, and in general they were headed down a path of roll-your-own quantity as opposed to their historic demands for quality. As much as it sucks that they got gobbled up, it would've been worse to watch their reputation descend to that of a shit product.

Louis C. K. once joked that whenever someone told him they were getting a divorce, he congratulated them. Bewildered, they'd ask why he'd congratulate such a thing and he'd respond that he never knew anybody who, in the midst of a happy marriage, decided to call it quits. Selling a company is much the same.

STG already handles the production of Escudo and Salty Dogs and a slew of other tobaccos that would rank in my favorites, your favorites, and most everyone else's too. Sutliff, on the other hand? That recent coin release was spectacular, but apart from that I've never heard of anyone evangelizing the leaves tinned by Henry Sutliff. Even still, STG can't afford to dismantle the historicity that exists in Mac Baren and Sutliff. If they now own two brands whose claims to fame last over a century apiece, then even the "bean counters" will understand the benefit of such an accolade.

Thanks to an untimely and unwelcome layoff in finance, I happened to work in the retail end of the beverage industry at the time the craft beer boom found its apex. The big guys began buying the more reputable craft establishments and it set the whole drinky drink community into an uproar - myself included. I hated the idea that these corporate behemoths were scooping up my beloved craft brands. Specifically, as a South Carolinian, I hated that this trend laid claim to some of my local favorites. Coors bought Terrapin (Athens, GA) and Wicked Weed (Asheville, NC) was gobbled up by Anheuser Busch.

I could've sworn at the time that this would be the end of my beloved local brands. What I didn't see at the time was that these behemoths had the one thing that the craft joints never did: money. Sure, several breweries acquired by the big guys turned to garbage. But at the same rate, brands like Terrapin and Wicked Weed happened to flourish because the influx of capital allowed them to explore the market in a way that was previously unforeseen. Did they have to release junk beers that appealed to the masses? Sure. But they were also granted the ability to dig deeper into the small-batch goodies that appealed to folks like me.

In my opinion, the key factor here is that Mac Baren and Sutliff were bastions of a small-fish market: pipe tobacco. As long as that remained the case, they'd remain beholden to the ebbs and flows of that already-insecure market. By being acquired by a cigar-owning company, it gives them security and longevity. Cigars have been more stable and lucrative than pipes for longer than I've been alive and that doesn't appear likely to change within my lifetime. Amid any bad news, that's still a good thing. Because if pipe tobacco goes the way of craft beer and finds a mechanism by which it might experience a boom, then they're already owned by a corporation who can siphon capital into them to take advantage of the moment.

Anywho, I've been ranting myself for far too long so I'll end on this point: Even John D. Rockefeller, in an age before laws would prevent actively sinister competition practices in order to absorb competitors, was unable to cement a full-blown monopoly on the oil market. Despite his excessive efforts, competitors still sprang up when the moments were right. Given that humans have been smoking tobacco for 10,000+ years (see Iain Gately's history of tobacco) it's unlikely that any corporation - sinister or not - can or would pull off an obliteration of the market.
Plenty of people on this forum, myself included, have evangelized Sutliff tobaccos. Carl McAllister’s match blends have offered some of the best bang for the buck of anything out there.
I don’t share your enthusiasm for STG’s handling of Escudo, which resembles the original not one bit.
More likely they will use their own sources to create approximations as they have done in the past.
I agree with your assessment of Mac Baren, based on what I recently bought, a decline in quality from previous years.
STG is focused on cigars, so I don’t see them turning out better pipe tobacco blends, based on their mantra of cost cutting and efficiency. That’s shorthand for producing crap.
I’m just happy that I bought what I bought when I bought it.
 

HeavyLeadBelly

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Interesting episode and appreciate another great conversation. I will say though, I must be a rare bird as I don’t romanticize the past when you could smoke in bars and restaurants, at least here in WI. I was annoyed when the smoking in bars ban took effect in Milwaukee but came to realize I really liked not smelling like a cigarette after going out for drinks. Plus more non smokers started to go out more often. Even in the late 90s you rarely saw anyone smoking a pipe or cigar in a bar.
 
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When I first heard about STG buying Mac Baren/Sutliff my heart sank. I felt for Jeremy McKenna and the great workers at Sutliff. I was also upset that we’re going to be losing two historic blending houses. It’s terrible that two places that were so enthusiatically about the tobacco are now going away. Yes, some blends will stick around, but I’d much rather have Sutliff still around making fun small batch blends for content creators and supplying great leaf for places like Country Squire, LJ Peretti, and Seattle Pipe Club. STG sounds to be simply about the profits and has no care about the community or history that they’re effecting.

I would love to hear from a representative of STG about what their plan is, but I’m not gonna hold my breath for it.

I’m very glad my desert island blend is from C&D. They have an extensive catalogue of fantastic blends. The small batch blends Jeremy Reeves is putting out are always a hit. They really seem to care about tobacco and the pipe smoker. Hopefully Laudisi holds on to C&D for a long time to come.

Now onto the positive side, great interview with Barry! It was fun hearing your conversation with him. So many fun happy stories. I wish today we could more easily enjoy our pipes in public. It’d be nice to have a good dinner while enjoying a pipe. That’s what I love about the Vegas show, there’s so many places to enjoy a pipe with other people.

Pipe and tobacco people are incredible and I’m very happy to be a part of this wonderful community.

I’d also like to say Happy Thanksgiving to you Brian, your wife, your kids, and your granddaughter.