My Experience with Lbepen Deoxidizer [with pics]

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SBC

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Oct 6, 2021
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Deoxidizer.jpg


Of my pipes, five had oxidation worth bothering with. As you can see, the levels of oxidation varied:


Stems before.jpg


I submerged them in the honey-like (in appearance and texture... not smell...) substance for almost exactly two hours:


Stems in deoxidizer .jpg


When I pulled the stems out, they left behind beautifully obvious streaks and clouds of oxidation in the substance:


Oxidation in deoxidizer .jpg


I then wiped them down with paper towel and mineral oil, and was very pleased with what emerged:


Stems after mineral.jpg

(You should scroll up and check that "Before Pic" again.)

Some have speculated that this substance merely masks oxidation. This theory is disproven by the visible discharge of oxidation in the substance.

Others have speculated that this substance, in removing oxidation, must also remove good vulcanite. This does not appear (to the human eye or hand) to be the case. I cannot say with scientific certainty that it is not the case on any scale, but I can say confidently that neither my eye nor my hand can find any indication of this.

Others have said that, even if it removes only oxidized vulcanite, the substance must thereby leave pits or other such irregularities at some scale. To this I can only say what I said above: I neither see nor feel any indication of that. These stems seem brand new and perfectly smooth (apart from some chatter, of course -- I may deal with that later).

I understand the operating assumption of the skeptics:
The material world being what it is, there can be no removal of matter which does not result in less matter.

But perhaps even deeper assumptions about what rubber oxidization is, are off base? Is it a transformation of significant portions of the material? Or is it more like a deeply embedded yet theoretically distinct material which this substance removes with insignificant loss to the "host" material?
I know nothing about vulcanite or its oxidization, so I am not purporting this theory. I am only thinking outside of the box, because my experience with this substance doesn't seem fully explicable in terms of the box.

In any case, I can say with confidence that this works for all practical purposes, and that if there is any loss then it must be insignificant for all practical purposes. I'd use this product again.
 
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SBC

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This is very useful information. Any idea what effect the solution has on stem logos?

Two of the five stems had logos - the Peretti bulldog on the far right hand side, and the little Grabow beside it. Both seemed to be in the same shape before and after. The substance appears to target oxidization pretty exclusively, from all that I can tell.
 

SBC

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Do you only get one use per the amount used??

As you can see in the picture, the oxidization is discharged into the solution. According to the reading material which comes with the substance, this oxidization will accumulate over multiple uses, leaving the substance a little less potent than it was the time before.

So it's not an on/off kind of thing -- rather, it's a sliding scale of effectiveness.

Others who've used this on pipe stems have found that it's good for 15 - 20 stems before it's too contaminated and should be replaced.

My cost after shipping totaled about $30, so if it's good for 20 stems, that should average out to about $1.50 per stem.
 

sablebrush52

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I tried the stuff on a badly oxidized stem. By oxidation I mean the yellowing that happens with vulcanite, not mouth crud. As per instructions for a badly discolored piece of hard rubber, I left the stem in overnight. It did remove the yellow, but left the stem totally matte. By the time I got done repolishing it, the stem looked great, but, I could have gotten the same results without the Before and After Goo.
 

SBC

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Did you thoroughly clean the airway on the stems before submersion? Just wondering if the streaky substance left behind could be residual tars, and oils from inside the airway? Really not significant either way. Looks like a good product.

I run a pipe cleaner through a stem immediately after every smoke (of course), but no I didn't do any additional cleaning of the airway other than that.

That would be a plausible theory, but in this case:
  1. I observed the discoloration coming off the exterior of the stems as I pulled them out of the substance.

  2. The substance that filled the airways stayed lodged in the airways till I pushed it out with a pipe cleaner.
But good thought!