My Epiphany About the Importance of Packing

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abecox

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I always enjoy a challenge 😅 The last time I dried out my tobacco was FVF. I don't know how anyone could smoke that without drying, but I also didn't know how to do a proper prepare/pack a gravity fill at the time either.

That being said, one time I accidentally left a flake out overnight. It had much less flavor than 1-2hours dry time. But, going from 1-2 hours to 8-12 hours is a bit extreme to say the least! I appreciate you sharing your experiences and I will try, as a result of you sharing, to experiment with drying my tobacco some. Thanks for the encouragement!
Some of my favorite smokes have happened because I packed a pipe and then for some reason or another don't get around to smoking it till the next day. But I also agree somewhat contradictory that it's worth trying a blend at the moisture it arrives in the tin at for the same reason I believe in listening to albums in the track order that they arrived in, that's how the artist wanted to present the product.
 

JBob

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It's been a while since I've posted. But, I've had several thoughts on my mind and a few new pipes I wanted to share. My posts are more story like and long winded. But, here is one of my thoughts I felt worth sharing.

My journey with pipe tobacco started 2 years ago, but I have been a smoker for over 20. This experience helped me but also biased my thoughts. I felt I was packing right, tamping right, and smoking right. I did the "like water through a straw, not a milkshake" thing. The baby, lady, man pack. My pipes rarely got so hot I had to set them down. I must be doing everything perfectly! Right!? lol Yet, I was still getting wetter than usual smokes and left feeling like I was missing out on flavors.

My eldest dog was having issues, and so I temporarily "moved" downstairs. This way, she wouldn't have to go up and down the stairs at night and I could keep an eye on her. This put a pause on my pipe smoking, but led me to watching lots of pipe tobacco reviews and related videos; particularly long form ones where you kind of hang out with the person throughout the entire smoke. One thing stuck out to me... And, I've heard it said so many times. These people were getting through a bowl in 45mins-1.5hrs tops. I understand bowl size matters, but I was smoking regular/medium sized bowls and often getting 2.5 to 3hrs out of my smokes. Were they not sipping? My "clouds" of smoke were maybe a little more wispy than theirs. But, I'd find it hard to believe they weren't sipping. They were getting flavors I only dreamt of. They also didn't seem to be getting wet pipes, which I struggled with. These were experienced smokers. Without question, their technique was, more likely than not, better than mine. Then it dawned on me... we were both sipping relatively the same amount. The reason my smokes were lasting longer, the reason I was missing out on flavor, and likely the reason my smokes were wet, was because I was putting way more tobacco in my pipe than they were in theirs. Sure, I had learned to smoke these heavy packs lightly; sipping to avoid overheating the pipe. And, maybe I could have refined that technique more. But, I wanted to get back to experimenting with packing techniques; aiming to get into that 45min-1.5hr smoke range with more flavor and less moisture. Forgetting all of my preconceptions. Starting anew.

Due to me having "moved" downstairs, I had gone a few weeks without smoking a pipe as I previously stated. Unable to take it any longer, giving into the craving for a pipe, and filled with a newfound curiosity, I brought my pipes and tobacco downstairs, cracked a window, and began the ritual. It was an early morning on a work day. A Monday if I recall correctly. And man, for some reason I was craving breakfast. I immediately grabbed Autumn Evening and my corn cob that I've dedicated to aros. I always enjoyed the tin and room note of this tobacco. But never got much flavor out of it. Knowing that aros can often smoke wet/hot, I just dropped tobacco into the pipe; tapping it against my palm after every pinch. Essentially, the gravity fill method. Once I got toward the top, where a pinch would not fall into the pipe but rather sit in a "half in half out" state, I ever so lightly pressed this down so everything was just under the rim. I could tell already this was way lighter a pack than normal for me. It felt dainty... airy even. Mind you, I'm talking about the pack; not the draw or anything else.

I lit up, and everything was going well at the start. I never had issues getting flavors off the rip. But, those often quickly dissipated. It being a lighter pack, I had to tamp sooner than normal. And, I immediately noticed how "light" the tamping was. I tried to only focused on tamping around the edges to avoid compressing the tobacco. I needed this pack to stay light. I could already tell this was going to be a shorter smoke and I felt I was going down the right path.

Before I knew it, I was half way through the pipe and enjoying flavors more than ever before. This turned out to be one of the best smokes I'd had up to that point in time. I was done in probably just over an hour. The smoke stayed dry the whole way through. Literally not a drop of moisture on the pipe cleaner after I finished. I was starting to really enjoy this aro! I smoked probably 6 more bowls of Autumn Evening over the course of a few days in an attempt to repeat this experience, and I was successful in doing so.

I took this newfound epiphany to my VAs/VaPers. Pack light, tamp light. Sip like I always did. Perfection! New flavors. Little moisture. And more reasonable smoking times to boot (it's hard for me to set aside 2.5-3hrs, 45mins-1.5hrs is much more doable).

I'm sure there will be many that, as a result of this post, will ask me to revisit assumptions or my technique further. And, I will take these into consideration. But, I feel like I've finally started to "get it" and have found a packing technique that truly works well for me; my tamping style and cadence. If I could give one piece of advice to new smokers, it would be packing lighter and tamping softer. Forget about the "draw like straw". Sipping is important too, but my experience has shown me that sipping alone (even when done properly) is not enough for that "next level" smoking experience. I did not change my cadence at all. I simply changed my pack; my tamp changed as a result of that. And it was world changing.

If you made it this far, congratulations lol I hope taking you along in this journey was useful or at the very least entertaining.
Great post thanks!
 
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bersekero

Can't Leave
Nov 29, 2023
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Well, I finally tried the codger method — straight from the jar. And it worked!
I’m not exactly the best person to write reviews, but here are a few thoughts.

I had no problem keeping the pipe lit. I did have to adjust my cadence a bit, but nothing major.
No tongue bite at all.
No gurgling.

The flavor felt a bit more intense and natural, and the smoke was definitely smoother. It did leave a slight sour note in the mouth, though — nothing unpleasant.

Before, When the tobacco is dried out, it gets a bit harsh and leaves that typical “ashtray” aftertaste.
 

HammerandPipe

Might Stick Around
Nov 8, 2024
85
343
NC
Lithicus, someone asked Jiminks (proving that there are no dumb questions) how he packed his pipe to find all those flavors. Short answer was basically - gravity method! I tried it and it was great. I'll be adding the technique you outlined for a try so thanks for sharing.
That was me i believe 🤣

Ive been using gravity pack ever since though. I just gotta do better drying so I can minimize my relights a little bit.
 
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Piperjd

Starting to Get Obsessed
Jan 23, 2025
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The size of the final pinch (plug) depends on the size of the chamber. For a group 3 all I need is a small pinch while a big #55 castello needs a much bigger one.
There were times when a small group 3 bowl lasted me too long say 1.5 hours but that happened only with slow burning flakes.
Okay, but how slow are you puffing? Once every 5 minutes? I’ve only been at serious pipe smoking about 6 months or so and I’ve only ever had one bowl last me an hour and it was a 2023 pipe of the year from Peterson. Even some of the bigger bowls like a Peterson Watson will only get me half an hour (this is also without failing the cheek heat test, so I know I’m not burning it like a jet engine). What the hell am I doing so wrong?
 

bersekero

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Okay, but how slow are you puffing? Once every 5 minutes? I’ve only been at serious pipe smoking about 6 months or so and I’ve only ever had one bowl last me an hour and it was a 2023 pipe of the year from Peterson. Even some of the bigger bowls like a Peterson Watson will only get me half an hour (this is also without failing the cheek heat test, so I know I’m not burning it like a jet engine). What the hell am I doing so wrong?
As a new pipe smoker (2 years), I'm not exactly the right person to tell you if you're doing something wrong.

If you re-read my post, you'll see that I was referring to slow-burning flakes.

I rub my flakes and try to make them resemble a ribbon cut, but even then, they still burn slowly. I’ve never managed to smoke the flakes with the fold-and-stuff method.

Ready-ribbon-cut tobacco lasts me about 40 minutes in a Group 3 Dunhill pipe, an hour in a Group 4, and an hour and a half in my larger Castellos, which are like Group 6.

I take slow sips every 7 to 10 seconds, sometimes 15, depending on the tobacco and taste. The cadence tends to vary, but it slowly becomes second nature—very slowly, I admit. But I'm getting there, and I've minimized my relights. Not that I care too much about relights, but I’m just saying.
 

Piperjd

Starting to Get Obsessed
Jan 23, 2025
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As a new pipe smoker (2 years), I'm not exactly the right person to tell you if you're doing something wrong.

If you re-read my post, you'll see that I was referring to slow-burning flakes.

I rub my flakes and try to make them resemble a ribbon cut, but even then, they still burn slowly. I’ve never managed to smoke the flakes with the fold-and-stuff method.

Ready-ribbon-cut tobacco lasts me about 40 minutes in a Group 3 Dunhill pipe, an hour in a Group 4, and an hour and a half in my larger Castellos, which are like Group 6.

I take slow sips every 7 to 10 seconds, sometimes 15, depending on the tobacco and taste. The cadence tends to vary, but it slowly becomes second nature—very slowly, I admit. But I'm getting there, and I've minimized my relights. Not that I care too much about relights, but I’m just saying.
Ahhh okay, I basically only smoke ribbons.
 
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bersekero

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I come from cigarettes and vaping, and it’s very difficult to break habits formed over many years. Cigarettes are what they are, and vaping usually involves big clouds of vapor. Pipe smoking, as you already know, is completely different.
 

Piperjd

Starting to Get Obsessed
Jan 23, 2025
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I come from cigarettes and vaping, and it’s very difficult to break habits formed over many years. Cigarettes are what they are, and vaping usually involves big clouds of vapor. Pipe smoking, as you already know, is completely different.
Same, cigarette guy, and got into pipes from watching old Sherlock movies. It took me a long time to realize why my pipes were getting so hot. All those big clouds were for the cameras and real pipe smoking is much wispier if done properly. — every time I smoked my bowl was piping hot until I figured out Basil Rathbone was doing that for the camera lmao
 

bersekero

Can't Leave
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The gentle amount of smoke, together with the pleasant aroma and room note, were the main reasons I took up pipe smoking. When I used to smoke cigarettes, I was constantly getting up to stand under the kitchen hood or out on the balcony. Vaping, on the other hand, filled the room with a dense fog and was a constant hassle — with coils, leaks, and all that maintenance. Eventually, I just got fed up with both cigarettes and vaping altogether.

Pipe smoking, though, was a completely different story. My wife accepted it right away, and now I can enjoy my pipe as much as I like in my rocking chair by the fireplace, where the smoke drifts off gently. Over time, I discovered some amazing tobaccos and beautiful pipes, got totally hooked, and the pipe became not just a hobby, but a bit of a fetish.
 
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Piperjd

Starting to Get Obsessed
Jan 23, 2025
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The gentle amount of smoke, together with the pleasant aroma and room note, were the main reasons I took up pipe smoking. When I used to smoke cigarettes, I was constantly getting up to stand under the kitchen hood or out on the balcony. Vaping, on the other hand, filled the room with a dense fog and was a constant hassle — with coils, leaks, and all that maintenance. Eventually, I just got fed up with both cigarettes and vaping altogether.

Pipe smoking, though, was a completely different story. My wife accepted it right away, and now I can enjoy my pipe as much as I like in my rocking chair by the fireplace, where the smoke drifts off gently. Over time, I discovered some amazing tobaccos and beautiful pipes, got totally hooked, and the pipe became not just a hobby, but a bit of a fetish.
That’s where I’m at. The obsession phase. I’ve already got a bigger collection than anyone really could ever smoke. And I love the feeling and the family heritage and history of it.
 

HeadMisfit

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i just gravited filled my pipe with fully rubbed old gowrie and had to dump half the bowl out after 40 minutes. .75x1.8 chmber
 
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