Looming Laws in 2021?

[Zartoon]

Sorry for my ignorance. I’m just coming up to speed. I tried the search function but didn’t find what I was looking for.

What are the looming laws that will go j to effect in 2021 as far as pipes and pipe tobacco?

 

[logs]

You mean the ones that are actually going to come into effect or the ones that are supposed to come into effect because of the deeming date?

The short answer is after the deeming date, pipe tobaccos are supposed to no longer be available with the exception of the ones that have been grandfathered in. The actual answer is nobody knows what's going to happen because the legislation keeps changing. The date is a moving target.

 

[Zartoon]

Thank you for answering my question.
I guess it’s a wait and see.

My question was more about what is on the books that will go into effect.

 

[Frozenoak]

The goal, I’m afraid, is to ban it all. I don’t know how far they’ll get this year.

 

[logs]

My question was more about what is on the books that will go into effect.

If you want details, just search on the topic here. There are a bunch of threads on this

 

[sablebrush52]

Essentially, blends continuously available in the US market since before February 15th 2007 are grandfathered in. Blends introduced into the US market date after February 15th 2007 must go through one of two Deeming processes and be FDA approved to stay available after August 8th 2021, or in some cases August 8th 2022. Blends introduced into the US market after August 8 2016 must be FDA approved PRIOR to being offered for sale in the US market.
Some blends are being introduced into the US market despite not being approved. It's a gamble that some companies are willing to take, given that they probably won't get fined until the guillotine blade drops on August 8th 2021. A great many "new" blends aren't actually new, they're just relabeled.

 

[Zartoon]

This explains why so many blends are always sold out these days.

 

[sablebrush52]

This explains why so many blends are always sold out these days.

There is definitely more of a focus on buying tobaccos than buying pipes. Pipes will be around. The same may not be said for a favored blend.

 

[Chasing Embers]

This explains why so many blends are always sold out these days.

Sites are also getting smaller shipments of some manufacturers than just a couple of years back.

 

[Zartoon]

Hmm, is that because demeans is lower so they don’t make as much? Or some other reason is causing the production to be lower?

Sites are also getting smaller shipments of some manufacturers than just a couple of years back.

 

[Chasing Embers]

Hmm, is that because demeans is lower so they don’t make as much? Or some other reason is causing the production to be lower?

China is buying more and they are supplying to the bigger customer.

 

[sablebrush52]

Hmm, is that because demeans is lower so they don’t make as much? Or some other reason is causing the production to be lower?

The Asian market continues to grow, and they don't bitch about prices like we do. So that makes that market a more attractive one. But that's not all of it. The US is growing less tobacco since the end of farm subsidies. Tobacco is grown all over the world, but many blends are not available in the US.
And then there's the basic reality that the flow of shipments of blends varies. Sometimes a particular line of tobaccos becomes hard to find, only to become widely available a few months later.
Sometimes the perception of a shortage happens because the few major online stores sell out. People who only buy from a few online dealers are at a distinct disadvantage over people who buy from both online stores and B&M's. That "hard to find" blend online is often sitting on shelves at B&M's. It may cost a few bucks more per tin than the online store because B&Ms have to pay their state excise taxes, but it's there.

 

[Zartoon]

Great points. Thank you. I was not aware of the Asian market situation.

As for B&M, I live at a place where there are no shops that sell pipe stuff for a good 20+ miles. The closest one is about 30 miles away and they have very limited stock. Of the stock they have, their prices are 2.5x that of the online prices. So it becomes very hard to support the B&M.

 

[Chasing Embers]

Great points. Thank you. I was not aware of the Asian market situation.

As for B&M, I live at a place where there are no shops that sell pipe stuff for a good 20+ miles. The closest one is about 30 miles away and they have very limited stock. Of the stock they have, their prices are 2.5x that of the online prices. So it becomes very hard to support the B&M.

Many B&Ms ship.

 

[Worknman]

Essentially, blends continuously available in the US market since before February 15th 2007 are grandfathered in. Blends introduced into the US market date after February 15th 2007 must go through one of two Deeming processes and be FDA approved to stay available after August 8th 2021, or in some cases August 8th 2022. Blends introduced into the US market after August 8 2016 must be FDA approved PRIOR to being offered for sale in the US market.
Some blends are being introduced into the US market despite not being approved. It's a gamble that some companies are willing to take, given that they probably won't get fined until the guillotine blade drops on August 8th 2021. A great many "new" blends aren't actually new, they're just relabeled.

There's a "substantial equivalence" clause in the deeming regulations which I believe blenders will use to get around having to go through all this nonsense. After all pipe tobacco blends are just different variations of the same thing.

 

[logs]

There's a "substantial equivalence" clause in the deeming regulations which I believe blenders will use to get around having to go through all this nonsense.

I sure hope so because if we lose Super Value Vanilla I'll be heartbroken.

 

[lukasstrifeson]

I'll be interested to see how the recent rise in popularity among younger users will affect legislation for pipes/pipe tobacco.

 

[cigrmaster]

The new law clearly states that you have to give your left nut to buy tobacco.

 

[mso489]

Might have to print out sable's first post on this thread and paste it in my paper calendar for reference. Makes my head spin. I'd like to think pipe tobacco is collateral damage in the war on vaping and cigarettes, so the regs won't be rigorously applied ... a happy illusion.

 

[homesteader]

Is there any way to find out how old a given blend is, or is there a list of blends that might be cut by the deeming regulations? I've been looking and can't find anything.