Let's See the Cases

[nathaniel]

Based on the recent discussions (and reoccurring)...

I'm not making any claims, but I have looked and do find the lack of evidence interesting.

You can search the web and find plenty of cases of cigarette, dip, chew, and cigar users who have gotten cancers pertaining to repeated contact with a specific body part (specifically cancer as opposed to say cardiac disease since tobacco is an easy culprit distinguishable from the many other prevalent causes of heart problems).

But there a very few nasal snuff cases, 1 snüs case (after 70 yrs use), and no pipe smoking cases which I personally have ever been able to find.

Of course the per capita use of those types of tobacco surely have a lot to do with it... But c'mon, where the actual cases? We live in the post modern information age where everything is documented and studied by someone. Surely im missing something or putting in the wrong search terms. Becasue logically... Of COURSE any tobacco use at all has the potential to be dangerous. Right?

 

[Chasing Embers]

Ah yes, but did the tobacco cause it, or did it just happen to be that the cancer patients used tobacco?

 

[nathaniel]

Ah yes, but did the tobacco cause it, or did it just happen to be that the cancer patients used tobacco?

I don't disagree.

However oral cancers seem fairly limited to tobacco or alcohol consumers... So like pretty much everyone but Lutherans.

 

[olkofri]

We live in the post modern information age where everything is documented and studied by someone.

We also live in the post-truth age where the documented information is regularly scrubbed by the big kahunas who find it inconvenient.

 

[bullet08]

Genetics have more to do with it than tobacco use. Seen plenty of people living long with cig smoke (80+). Seen few that never smoked and died of lung cancer. It's like this. If you have even touched tobacco in your life, most well educated doctors will say the cause was tobacco use. Of course, we will hold the sourse of their MD in secret. Gilligan's Island!

 

[brian64]

We also live in the post-truth age where the documented information is regularly scrubbed by the big kahunas who find it inconvenient.

You don't tell the plebs the truth...just like you don't tell the livestock about the slaughterhouse.

Just keep your head down and graze...everything will be alright.

 

[Servant King]

Oh wait...sorry, I totally misunderstood.

 

[nathaniel]

If y'all wanna really go down the rabbit hole.... Anyone familiar with big tobacco crops being fertilized with nuclear waste (an oversimplification, but not untrue)? It could explain why big tobacco users are the ones coming down with the cancer tho... According to the "father of conspiracy theorists" William Cooper, in his book from the 90's that has predicted far too much already.

 

[Bbailey324]

This link might work:
Smoking and Health | PDF | Tobacco Smoking | Addiction - https://www.scribd.com/document/199073624/Smoking-and-Health#
1964 Surgeon General's report on smoking and health. I read it several years back and didn't have any concerns about continued pipe smoking. Should be some interesting data and statistics.

 

[The Amish Tyrant]

I don't understand the point of these discussions or threads when we all know the risks related to tobacco use, if but merely for addictive qualities.

If you have a health question, ask a doctor and not a group of random people on the internet.

Back to my regularly scheduled programming of pipe, tobacco, and food threads.

 

[HawkeyeLinus]

Yep, enough already.

 

[nathaniel]

I don't understand the point of these discussions or threads when we all know the risks related to tobacco use, if but merely for addictive qualities.

If you have a health question, ask a doctor and not a group of random people on the internet.

Back to my regularly scheduled programming of pipe, tobacco, and food threads.

Why? Because we can and it's fun to posit, like every other meandering here. If you don't like the subject matter however, the "back" button will take you to back to the forum page where you can select another thread of your preference.

Since "we all know the risks" though, I suppose you have some specific cases regarding the post's inquest?

If thousands of years of alcohol consumption demonstrated cases of related illness only from whiskey and not beer, it would be quite a medical discovery. Sadly, I have given up on that hope. Don't take my other ones away.

 

[Zero]

I don't understand the point of these discussions or threads when we all know the risks related to tobacco use, if but merely for addictive qualities.

If you have a health question, ask a doctor and not a group of random people on the internet.

Back to my regularly scheduled programming of pipe, tobacco, and food threads.

Yes, I completely understand, but have you ever seen the results of a neglected mouth? Not pretty...

 

[Hillcrest]

If thousands of years of alcohol consumption demonstrated cases of related illness only from whiskey

10 Health Related Benefits of Drinking Bourbon (Responsibly)

When done responsibly and in moderation, scientific studies have shown the suggested health benefits of our beloved Bourbon! Here are 10 benefits we found

www.gobourbon.com

 

[nathaniel]

@Hillcrest i did see that recently. Seems a tad light on the evidence for "healthy" but it certainly is very interesting!

 

[The Amish Tyrant]

Why? Because we can and it's fun to posit, like every other meandering here. If you don't like the subject matter however, the "back" button will take you to back to the forum page where you can select another thread of your preference.

Since "we all know the risks" though, I suppose you have some specific cases regarding the post's inquest?

If thousands of years of alcohol consumption demonstrated cases of related illness only from whiskey and not beer, it would be quite a medical discovery. Sadly, I have given up on that hope. Don't take my other ones away.

Well, since I was summoned back...

Just because you can doesn't make it a good idea (like having an ambiguous title name - and any legal case where big tobacco was sanctioned with being forced to put warnings on tobacco products should be enough of an example).

Yes, I completely understand, but have you ever seen the results of a neglected mouth? Not pretty...View attachment 248025 View attachment 248026

No need to show pictures of my mother publicly. Totally uncalled for, my man.

 

[Hillcrest]

@Hillcrest i did see that recently. Seems a tad light on the evidence for "healthy" but it certainly is very interesting!

I think the Bourbon industry sponsored the study ... you know ... just like big pharma ! ... so it must be true.
As they say ... "Trust the Science!"

 

[nathaniel]

Imagine if you will, IF all alcohol illness only came from liquor and none from beer, yet everyone jist assumed it was the same thing.

Seems as if the FDA is finally having to acknowledge this in regards to snüs since it is now the first tobacco product that CAN be marketed as a "safer alternative to smoking cigarettes".

Almost as if they couldnt just keep saying that ALL tobacco is as dangerous as Big Baccy's cigarettes without ANY case evidence proving the claim. Looks like Swedish Match got some decent lawyers to go up against the FDA.

 

[olkofri]

If the FDA says it's bad, then I want it!

 

[HawkeyeLinus]

Why? Because we can and it's fun to posit, like every other meandering here. If you don't like the subject matter however, the "back" button will take you to back to the forum page where you can select another thread of your preference.

Since "we all know the risks" though, I suppose you have some specific cases regarding the post's inquest?

Or in a matter of seconds Google will take you to many studies that are easy to find re pipe smoking and it’s associated risks, so why ask others to provided you with “cases” and claim they don’t exist?