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hawky454

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This isn't as safe as apple pie. There are risks.
That’s debatable. It all depends on moderation. Guys that smoke up to 10 pipes a day are facing health risks, guys that eat 10 slices of apple pie are also facing serious health risks. As with anything, moderation is important, whether it’s with food or tobacco, there are risks to pretty much everything. Life is a risk.
 

mso489

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Fifteen pipes could be all you'll ever need, with some aged tobacco to get started. Welcome aboard from central North Carolina. I always learn something when I stop by Forums.
 
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lawdawg

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But, fooling ourselves into thinking pipes are far safer than cigarettes is one thing, but telling other smokers is another. Sure, because we don't inhale smoke from pipes, we aren't doing as much damage as cigarettes, but it is way better to just be honest with ourselves. This isn't as safe as apple pie. There are risks.
Pipes and cigars are far safer than cigarettes. I saw a report of Brad Rodu, head of cancer reduction research at University of Louisville, that was recently filed, as I best recall, as part of a Congressional hearing on the matter. I'm not saying smoking in any manner is safe, but pipes and cigars are not cigarettes. I mean it even seems intuitively obvious that puffing a little baccy here and there is a lot different than inhaling it into your lungs 20 times per day.
 

cosmicfolklore

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Pipes and cigars are far safer than cigarettes. I saw a report of Brad Rodu, head of cancer reduction research at University of Louisville, that was recently filed, as I best recall, as part of a Congressional hearing on the matter. I'm not saying smoking in any manner is safe, but pipes and cigars are not cigarettes. I mean it even seems intuitively obvious that puffing a little baccy here and there is a lot different than inhaling it into your lungs 20 times per day.
No offence, but you're twisting my words, which I guess I should expect a lawyer to do, ha ha. JK.

"fooling ourselves into thinking pipes are far safer than cigarettes is one thing"

"because we don't inhale smoke from pipes, we aren't doing as much damage as cigarettes,"

However... "There are risks."
 

hawky454

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I side with Newcombe & Hanna on the subject. They reference studies that prove that moderate pipe smoking is very low risk and can actually promote good health as it is a relaxing, meditative activity. I’ve had this debate with my doctor. But there is a big difference between someone that has a pipe in their mouth all day from the moment they get up in the morning until they go to bed at night, of course that’s not good for you. I think the big difference is those who are addicted vs. those that enjoy a pipe once or twice a day like one would enjoy a cup of coffee. I think sugary foods/junk foods have more risk than pipe tobacco and I’m sure the government will start regulating such foods too, it’s just a matter of time.
 

chopper

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Actually no. Pipe tobacco, has way more than cigarettes, but because of the way we smoke and ingest the tobacco we don't feel it as strongly as fast, but more over a longer period of time. Inhaling straight to the lungs gives us more of a kick faster, but it doesn't last as long.
As far as chemicals... everything is a chemical. There are casings and toppings added to about 99% of the tobaccos on the market. What we see touted as chemicals in cigarettes' smoke are mostly present in pipe tobaccos also. When we see ammonia and some of those other things in cig smoke, most are just inherent to tobacco in general, but is vaguely described by anti-tobacco people to make us think that some of those dangerous chemicals were added by the evil empire.

But, fooling ourselves into thinking pipes are far safer than cigarettes is one thing, but telling other smokers is another. Sure, because we don't inhale smoke from pipes, we aren't doing as much damage as cigarettes, but it is way better to just be honest with ourselves. This isn't as safe as apple pie. There are risks.

I switched from decades of smoking cigs to the pipe for my health also. But, I keep myself aware of the risks. It is an informed decision made by adults. So... just no need to murky the facts. I say this in hopes it helps and not to just start an argument.
"Murky the facts" ??? Dear oh dear, I guess this is what happens when one avoids the sciences in high school for art and political correctness classes.

Tailor-made cigarettes have 300-600 added chemicals.
Pipe tobacco has no harmful chemicals added [oh I see where I went wrong - "no harmful" was added for your benefit. You're welcome].

No, propylene glycol is not harmful despite what your spinster art teacher may have opined. [See, that's why people like her become art teachers. An opinion is valid regardless how stupid in the art world apparently but science is science . . . but I digress]

Casing and toppings are mostly food grade additives such as rum, maple and vanilla, for example.

A U.S. Surgeon Generals report found that pipe smokers who inhale have the same life expectancy as a non-smoker.
Pipe smokers who do not inhale have a life expectancy three years beyond that of a non-smoker. [This is easily explained by the relaxing and meditative effects of puffing on a pipe]

Ropes, twists or plugs have a shit-load of nicotine [sorry, didn't realise when I wrote my post that I had to point that out] which is why I wrote "Pipe tobacco typically has way less nicotine than cigarettes."

My experience losing my nicotine addiction is proof enough and it trumps whatever some miserably bitter spinster art teacher shared out of pure ignorance due to a seething intolerance to see others derive pleasure from life.
I inhale and I smoke several bowls a day yet I've lost all cravings for a smoke. How would that even be possible, to lose a nicotine addiction, if pipe tobacco has "way more" [nicotine] "than cigarettes"?

If you really think that pipe tobacco is as dangerous to ones health as tailor-made cigarettes, then I suggest that you educate yourself on the subject before attempting to frighten others. [And if you really believe such nonsense, why on earth do you smoke a pipe?]
Really, Ms Arty Misery-Guts is the last type of persons word that I'd take seriously.
Outside of the art world, facts and experience trump opinions and prejudice.
 
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chopper

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I side with Newcombe & Hanna on the subject. They reference studies that prove that moderate pipe smoking is very low risk and can actually promote good health as it is a relaxing, meditative activity. I’ve had this debate with my doctor. But there is a big difference between someone that has a pipe in their mouth all day from the moment they get up in the morning until they go to bed at night, of course that’s not good for you. I think the big difference is those who are addicted vs. those that enjoy a pipe once or twice a day like one would enjoy a cup of coffee. I think sugary foods/junk foods have more risk than pipe tobacco and I’m sure the government will start regulating such foods too, it’s just a matter of time.
Over 21 years ago I was diagnosed with a terminal vascular disease.
That was my key motivation to give up the ciggies.

Whenever I'd end up in hospital or saw a new specialist I'd get a stern lecture on why I had to stop smoking.
Now that I smoke a pipe, it came as a rather pleasant surprise that most doctors are aware of the difference between ciggies and a pipe.

When they ask if I'm still smoking, I say "No, I switched to a pipe".
Rather than having to explain the difference, they've all responded positively.
 

PiperBrad

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I was addicted to chewing tobacco for about 25 years from college sports on until 1995. So, I share your wife's concern.

So far, pipe smoking is not something I want first thing in the morning. It is more like something I do once a day or not at all. This tells me my addiction is not returning. I think its more of likeing to play with fire...LOL!
I do like fire...
 

cosmicfolklore

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"Murky the facts" ??? Dear oh dear, I guess this is what happens when one avoids the sciences in high school for art and political correctness classes.

Tailor-made cigarettes have 300-600 added chemicals.
Pipe tobacco has no harmful chemicals added [oh I see where I went wrong - "no harmful" was added for your benefit. You're welcome].

No, propylene glycol is not harmful despite what your spinster art teacher may have opined. [See, that's why people like her become art teachers. An opinion is valid regardless how stupid in the art world apparently but science is science . . . but I digress]

Casing and toppings are mostly food grade additives such as rum, maple and vanilla, for example.

A U.S. Surgeon Generals report found that pipe smokers who inhale have the same life expectancy as a non-smoker.
Pipe smokers who do not inhale have a life expectancy three years beyond that of a non-smoker. [This is easily explained by the relaxing and meditative effects of puffing on a pipe]

Ropes, twists or plugs have a shit-load of nicotine [sorry, didn't realise when I wrote my post that I had to point that out] which is why I wrote "Pipe tobacco typically has way less nicotine than cigarettes."

My experience losing my nicotine addiction is proof enough and it trumps whatever some miserably bitter spinster art teacher shared out of pure ignorance due to a seething intolerance to see others derive pleasure from life.
I inhale and I smoke several bowls a day yet I've lost all cravings for a smoke. How would that even be possible, to lose a nicotine addiction, if pipe tobacco has "way more" [nicotine] "than cigarettes"?

If you really think that pipe tobacco is as dangerous to ones health as tailor-made cigarettes, then I suggest that you educate yourself on the subject before attempting to frighten others. [And if you really believe such nonsense, why on earth do you smoke a pipe?]
Really, Ms Arty Misery-Guts is the last type of persons word that I'd take seriously.
Outside of the art world, facts and experience trump opinions and prejudice.
Can you not disagree and make your case without insults and being rather vile?
Ha ha, you just hate me because I’m beautiful. puffy
Besides, your just wrong, but I’m going to bed big boy. My argument is over. Maybe you’ll act a little more civil after a napsy.
 
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chopper

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Can you not disagree and make your case without insults and being rather vile?
Ha ha, you just hate me because I’m beautiful. puffy
Besides, your just wrong, but I’m going to bed big boy. My argument is over. Maybe you’ll act a little more civil after a napsy.
"Insults"? "Vile"? Well that was not my intention.
My apologies since I wasn't aware that you were so sensitive.

It's just that when I see fear-mongering using false info to scare others away from a reasonably safe and pleasurable past-time, I do feel the need to set the record straight in what I thought was a humorous fashion.

Idk, maybe Aussie humour doesn't translate to American sensibilities.
I know what my namesake would advise in this situation; "Take a spoonful of cement and HTFU." :ROFLMAO:

"Nap"? Nah, it's midday here in Oz but you enjoy your sleepy-byes big fella. Rest well.
 
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cosmicfolklore

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"Murky the facts" ??? Dear oh dear, I guess this is what happens when one avoids the sciences in high school for art and political correctness classes.

Tailor-made cigarettes have 300-600 added chemicals.
Pipe tobacco has no harmful chemicals added [oh I see where I went wrong - "no harmful" was added for your benefit. You're welcome].

No, propylene glycol is not harmful despite what your spinster art teacher may have opined. [See, that's why people like her become art teachers. An opinion is valid regardless how stupid in the art world apparently but science is science . . . but I digress]

Casing and toppings are mostly food grade additives such as rum, maple and vanilla, for example.

A U.S. Surgeon Generals report found that pipe smokers who inhale have the same life expectancy as a non-smoker.
Pipe smokers who do not inhale have a life expectancy three years beyond that of a non-smoker. [This is easily explained by the relaxing and meditative effects of puffing on a pipe]

Ropes, twists or plugs have a shit-load of nicotine [sorry, didn't realise when I wrote my post that I had to point that out] which is why I wrote "Pipe tobacco typically has way less nicotine than cigarettes."

My experience losing my nicotine addiction is proof enough and it trumps whatever some miserably bitter spinster art teacher shared out of pure ignorance due to a seething intolerance to see others derive pleasure from life.
I inhale and I smoke several bowls a day yet I've lost all cravings for a smoke. How would that even be possible, to lose a nicotine addiction, if pipe tobacco has "way more" [nicotine] "than cigarettes"?

If you really think that pipe tobacco is as dangerous to ones health as tailor-made cigarettes, then I suggest that you educate yourself on the subject before attempting to frighten others. [And if you really believe such nonsense, why on earth do you smoke a pipe?]
Really, Ms Arty Misery-Guts is the last type of persons word that I'd take seriously.
Outside of the art world, facts and experience trump opinions and prejudice.
Ok, so lets start with the Surgeons General Report. I think you are confused about it stating that they inhaled pipe tobacco and living longer. I always just hear that it said statistically men who smoke pipes and cigars in general have a statistically longer life… statistically. I’m not Constitutional lawyer, so I will leave it at what I just read on the forums. I’ll let the lawyers have that one.



And, not all casings and toppings are food grade. Russ Oellette has said that he tries to use mainly food grades in his aromatics. Greg Pease for a while talked about him trying to keep his tobaccos free of casings and such. Not sure how that works now with Stonehenge. But, Greg opened the discussion of keeping pipe tobaccos pre of that stuff, but it wouldn’t have even been a thing of there weren’t crap in some of them. PG…. I’ve never discussed that ever. Not in my wheelhouse of knowledge. As is a lot of things.



But, take the GH&co and SG stuff. The whole reason why Lakelands are unique is that for some twist, someone thought that adding perfumes, tars, and byproducts of distillation to tobacco was a good thing. Now, don’t get me wrong. I’m a lakelands freak, so I love the stuff, some of it. But, food grade it is not. I’ve never heard of Tonkin bean cookies, nor rose geranium candies. Most of that stuff is meant for the perfume industry, not food. But, feel free to swig on some isoamyl acetate. Actually, don’t. You won’t like it, I promise.



I think one of the reasons the new Warhorse is not really close to the original is as reported by Woods, Simon, and Russ, was that the original formula called for so much nasty and dangerous stuff. The joke I remember the most is that Russ didn’t want to kill Jiminks, so…



When my roommates dad took us on a tour of PM, the guys there bragged about how Marlboro were all food grade, {Didn’t Luckys advertise that it was merely a toasted burley at one time?} but they had to use the juices pressed out of the tobacco to make the nicotine levels standard dose per cig. But, the chemicals in cigarette argument has been twisted. It’s the reported chemicals in the smoke that has been twisted to suggest that they add ammonia and all sorts of things. But, it is merely the biproduct of combustion of the leaf that gives off all of those chemicals. Heck, most of that is in our smoke as well. Because no one has to add it. And, burn a cherry, a natural, right off the tree cherry. Food grade stuff, but you wouldn’t want to breath all of those biproducts… even sugars burning, not good. But, I am not making a blanket statement that all cigarettes are chemical free. Just throwing all of that out there to show how things are a little more muddy than you make it seem.



Unfortunately, for the sake of the argument, pipe tobacco companies don’t have to report nicotine nor tars, but for them it is a blessing, because levels change from crop to crop… and I prefer they not do what cigarette companies do. But as to strength, most of what leaf we have access is the exact same leaf used in the cigarette industry. Heck, if the cig industry goes under, no one will be able to flue cure on a commercial level. They are mostly a blend of the same burleys and Virginias. Eat a tablespoon of the lightest Virginia. But, don’t, because I’m not sure how smart whomever is reading this is, ha ha. If you did, it could kill you if you could keep it down. But, the main difference is either ingesting it through your lungs or the small membranes of the mouth and sinuses. The PH level of the smoke also affects absorption.



Ultimately, take it or leave it. If you will read most of the articles on this magazine, listen to the PM radioshow, watch what the tobacconists say, anyone can put this stuff together. I’m no organic chemist, ha ha. Really, I wouldn’t even be saying this… again…. If I weren’t verbally shoved, you big bad man, haha.



I did make the choice for myself that pipe smoking was a substantially less risk to my health than cigarettes, because it taxed my lungs much less. But, I am not going to blind myself to the fact that it’s not all safe as cookies and milk. With decades of cigarette smoking behand me, I am making no assumptions that I will live longer than I would if I had just quit smoking all together. Sure, everything has a risk, even driving a car, but I’m not going to blow sunshine up anyone’s ass. It is not perfectly safe. On that we can agree to disagree.



I hope you take all of this well. You may continue to disagree. Throw another shrimp on the barbie for me.

Goodnight for real this time, ha ha. I just finished my pipe.
 
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