Intractable Dogs...

[Aomalley27]

I’ve noticed an over abundance of unruly dogs since the beginning of the Covid shutdowns last year.
Lots of dopey people getting pets while they were at home, without investing the time to train them.
I’ve an idiot down the street who decided a Cane Corso would be a good idea, and it’s broken off it’s tie down twice this week alone.
Had to help a lady get it off her little foo-foo dog with a break stick.
Fortunately I’ve not been bit, but some common sense would be appreciated. ESPECIALLY when dealing with large game breeds.
My brother got a GSD; but I’ve worked extensively with him, so he’s good now, on or off leash. But that seems to be a rarity these days.
I’ve been attacked twice on the jogging path, once by a pit mix, and once by a Dogo.... fortunately I had pepper gel. But what about the next person?
Always surprised at folks getting high drive dogs and expecting lap pets?
Case in point; my dopey cousin that got an American Bulldog. I decided to work with the dog, but my cousin shouldn’t have gotten it in the first place. They require lots of exercise, and purpose driven work otherwise they are massively destructive.
And with people returning to work, they no longer provide these dogs stimulation, exercise and discipline.

 

[pepesdad1]

Stupid is as stupid does...can't really blame the dogs...moron owners with no control of their lives.

 

[Aomalley27]

Stupid is as stupid does...can't really blame the dogs...moron owners with no control of their lives.

Nope, I don’t blame the dogs, just the dummies that didn’t have the foresight to imagine that cute pup growing into a 130 lbs menace.

 

[mso489]

Dogs require a commitment of time. They are pack animals, and left alone, go slowly nuts. Probably irresponsible dog owners shouldn't have pets, or shouldn't without a lot of training themselves.

 

[Aomalley27]

Worst bit is that they usually bolt when trouble happens; as if THEIR animal isn’t THEIR responsibility. Both clowns at the jogging path just took off. No apology, no “are you all right?” Nothing.

 

[Aomalley27]

Dogs require a commitment of time. They are pack animals, and left alone, go slowly nuts. Probably irresponsible dog owners shouldn't have pets, or shouldn't without a lot of training themselves.

There’s a reason that Dog attack human fatalities are up over the last 20 years.

Folks not training their dogs, folks not taking responsibility, and the law seriously lacking in repercussion. Only 1 in 5 owners involved in a Human fatality dog attack are even CHARGED, and the procescuted % is woefully below THAT.
And in terms of cost, average dog attack that requires medical attention, sees bills of $35K on average, yet only 2% of victims receive ANY compensation. And the average compensation amounts to $25,000.? So not only do you suffer physically, you get shafted financially as well.

 

[mso489]

It's not the whole answer, but I think rescue adoptions tend to be more selective. Breeders just want to sell the pups or kittens. Good rescue groups put the prospective pet owners on the spot. I was refused an adorable kitten because I was still working. The kitten wouldn't be socialized. I should adopt an older cat. Unless ... I'd adopt the kitten's brother to keep him company until I got home. I didn't want two kittens, but I thought it over and decided they were correct. It was crazy land at my house for a while. Not bad. But I had to escape to get my balance. But it was also wild fun. They'd dance on the ceiling for a while, then go to a hiding place and sleep. Soon, they skipped the hiding place. Pretty soon, we were like an ill-behaved fraternity, all over the place all the time. Older now, they keep us on their schedule and are good friends.

 

[anotherbob]

People who don't take proper care of their animals and children are the worst. I have felt for a long time that people who neglect their animals should be forced into the same situation they put their animals in. Yeah you tie your dog up outside no matter the weather and without the social and material they need to be healthy. You should be tied up in a cage with moldy bread and stale water. Bad weather? Well you should get as much concern as you had for another being another being who you chose to have while skipping out on the responsibility part.

 

[bullet08]

Those owners should be put down to get them out of their miserable life. It's very irresponsible to put down a dog when shooting the owner will solve countless problems.

 

[anotherbob]

Those owners should be put down to get them out of their miserable life. It's very irresponsible to put down a dog when shooting the owner will solve countless problems.

it would certainly be more effective.

 

[STP]

I’ve own a Cane Corso (mastiff), as well as a Rottweiler. Both have sadly passed away, but were great dogs. They were gentle giants (Rott was 165lbs). They certainly required a lot of training, love, and patients. You tend to see a lot of dogs abandoned after the holidays as some think puppies are a great gift, but are not prepared for the commitment.

 

[pepesdad1]

Stupid is as stupid does...can't really blame the dogs...moron owners with no control of their lives.

People who don't take proper care of their animals and children are the worst. I have felt for a long time that people who neglect their animals should be forced into the same situation they put their animals in. Yeah you tie your dog up outside no matter the weather and without the social and material they need to be healthy. You should be tied up in a cage with moldy bread and stale water. Bad weather? Well you should get as much concern as you had for another being another being who you chose to have while skipping out on the responsibility part.

100% agree with you...animal neglect is horrible....critters need company and companionship...unfortunately shelters are like jails with their concrete and cages...I understand the need but animals need to be socialized as does their owners.

 

[Chasing Embers]

Dogs are insatiable learners, much like young children. Definitely about bad ownership.

 

[Mtlpiper]

Funny this thread came up. In my upbringing, I've had to work with professional dogs (sheepdogs mainly or other working farm dogs). I also owned and trained a couple of rambunctious Red Setters.

Anyway; I'm back at school studying at the moment and a few students are making an absolute killing as dog walkers (< $50/h cash-in-hand when walking multiple dogs). It's a tempting thing to do.

But I've noticed that the majority of the dogs (which have been very poorly socialised) are aggressive and hyperactive, so the same students are sporting some pretty nasty bites and nips (on one occasion to the face).

I believe the face bite was from a particularly energetic 6-month-old Portuguese water dog. But yes, lots of the pups are high energy or difficult breeds (Great Dane's, Shepherds, Boxers and Retrievers etc.).

Doesn't help that the past few weeks have been over 40C (104F).

 

[warren]

you get shafted financially as well.

I'd use my various insurances, whichever is applicable. My insurance company would then sue the dog owner, if identified. None of which addresses your observations. In my area, reporting an attack where the owner of the animal is identifiable results in the impound of the dog and charges against the owner.

A dog which simply nipped me would escape with its life. A serious attack would result in a dead dog. In either case, if I could ID the owner I'd have a bit more spending money in the near future. Only possible, of course, if the owner has assets or insurance.

 

[Aomalley27]

I'd use my various insurances, whichever is applicable. My insurance company would then sue the dog owner, if identified. None of which addresses your observations. In my area, reporting an attack where the owner of the animal is identifiable results in the impound of the dog and charges against the owner.

A dog which simply nipped me would escape with its life. A serious attack would result in a dead dog. In either case, if I could ID the owner I'd have a bit more spending money in the near future. Only possible, of course, if the owner has assets or insurance.

Good luck with that. Most big breed owners don’t carry their dogs on their homeowners insurance (a few insurers prohibit certain breeds... the various pit breeds especially since statistically they are vastly more responsible for injurious attacks than all other breeds combined. Risk too high for most insurers)
American Bar Association also shows that fewer than 2% of those injured in a dog attack receive compensation. You have to keep in mind, almost 50% of attacks requiring hospitalization are perpetrated upon either a family member or someone living in the domicile. So discount them from the total number of bites, as you’re not gonna sue yourself.
There’s also The hesitancy of the court’s to find injurious liability upon dog owners. The most often outcome is a negative one for the dog not the owner.

There’s also the many States that adhere to the “one bite rule”; which is basically a get out of jail free card for both dog and owner.

Finally; there’s the unscrupulous shelters that HIDE prior aggressiveness of potential adoptees. Several go so far as to ship these animals out of county, state, and even Country in an attempt to erase any record of the Dog’s vicious past. Heck; most of the Michael Vick fighting dogs were shipped to California, and from there the paper trail disappears. Can you imagine adopting a dog they assure you is great, and unbeknownst to you, it was a fighting dog???

 

[warren]

Good luck with that. Most big breed owners don’t carry their dogs on their homeowners insurance (a few insurers prohibit certain breeds... the various pit breeds especially since statistically they are vastly more responsible for injurious attacks than all other breeds combined. Risk too high for most insurers)

Reread my post, parse it. I never mentioned the dog owner's insurance or lack thereof. I only wrote regarding my insurance coverages. No reason for me to even get involved except to show the wound. Maybe get deposed but, I'm not out any moneys. Time maybe but, not moneys.

 

[autumnfog]

Dogs are not for everyone.
Whether small or large breeds, there is a responsibility to it.
Considering all the dimwits and shaky lifestyles,
there should be a license for dog owning.

You don't get a Caucasian Ovcharka if you live
in a small apartment and never had a dog before.
Period.

 

[STP]

Good luck with that. Most big breed owners don’t carry their dogs on their homeowners insurance (a few insurers prohibit certain breeds...

We owned a Rottweiler and our long standing homeowners insurer sent an agent to our home to verify that the dog was friendly. A few years later we built a new house. When attempting to insure it, that same company dropped us because of the Rottweiler. No claim was ever filed, but the dog was flagged as a “dangerous” breed… regardless of whether it was friendly.

 

[kcghost]

Taking care of a dog requires the owner to spend a decent amount of time every day with it. Get a cat. There a hell of a lot less trouble usually.