I do have a 1927 shell that looks like a half melted meteorite. Great little smoker!
Info About Dunhill's "Not For Sale" Pipes
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Yes she is. I have a Dunhill I purchased from her, a l967 She’ll for my brother. It was misdelivered and she stood behind the purchase. It showed up eventually and everything worked out.
I did fork out a hundred and buy FIVE genuine lead replica Yokum dollars guaranteed authentic from the original die, which was found miraculously in babbling Ozark stream or so the guy claimed. The Lord he claimed, showed him where Yocum hid his die in that stream.
Hs even threw in a freebie for my generosity of buying five lead Yokum silver dollars.
He knew the die was real, because it says
YOKUM SILVER DOLLAR
He said there were lots of counterfeits in the shops in Branson, and you could tell those because they all said
REPLICA YOCUM SILVER DOLLAR
I figure the Lord moves in mysterious ways, and I’ll have the only counterfeit White Spot pipe somebody marked NOT FOR SALE so as to warn everybody it wasn’t a real Dunhill.
If it clears customs, I’ll give a full report.
Here’s a $40 generic briar pipe on eBay. It has a brand stamp.
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Now, everyone knows who has the 7th black spot and where it can be bought. Like a Yokum Silver Dollar, the secret is out.
It is a shame we are the only people on this forum who have any clue as to what had been referenced. That said, I did purchase a Pipe by Lee five pointed three star billiard. It looks to be in fairly good shape. Once it arrives, I’ll send it out to be refurbished and give a full report on how it smokes. I also found an interesting new Marxman pipe that has never been smoked but I feel it is a bit pricey. What are tour thoughts.? I wish he I could find a decent seven pointed star Lee.I did fork out a hundred and buy FIVE genuine lead replica Yokum dollars guaranteed authentic from the original die, which was found miraculously in babbling Ozark stream or so the guy claimed. The Lord he claimed, showed him where Yocum hid his die in that stream.
Hs even threw in a freebie for my generosity of buying five lead Yokum silver dollars.
He knew the die was real, because it says
YOKUM SILVER DOLLAR
He said there were lots of counterfeits in the shops in Branson, and you could tell those because they all said
REPLICA YOCUM SILVER DOLLAR
I figure the Lord moves in mysterious ways, and I’ll have the only counterfeit White Spot pipe somebody marked NOT FOR SALE so as to warn everybody it wasn’t a real Dunhill.
If it clears customs, I’ll give a full report.
True, but that fake Jess pipe still sold for $8300 to some schnook who thought he knew better.
Understood but a Rickenbacker isn't dependent on a single piece of wood that has minimal chances of turning out right. They can easily swap out parts so if the neck isn't right, they can transfer the base to another neck. Dunhill did have seconds lines for years. I'm just curious as to what their new system is.
This makes much more sense to me as a business model.
All the pipe stem's on the middle row of my pipe rack are covered in red dots. Should I move all the remaining pipes away or alternatively, quarantine the sick ones?
and since those sneak factory works didn't have to lay out cash just time they could afford to not have a higher turn over rate. They weren't sinking the same kind of investment they just had to make enough to justify time i.e. wages plus something more.The endless speculations about the forgery of goods by people who do not understand, and therefore appreciate, the technical aspects in play are endlessly entertaining.
I'll cut to the chase with forgery as it impacts the PipeWorld.
Pipes aren't worth enough for convincing forgeries to EXIST. The end.
Watches, paintings, sculpture, stamps, coins, and so forth certainly can be, but pipes? No.
Sotheby's and Christies don't even bother with them. Pipes don't bring in enough to be worth their time.
Which then makes clear that if someone had the ability to convincingly replicate a given high grade pipe, he'd have the necessary skills to make pipes under his own name... and make more money without risk.
Copying something to a high enough standard to fool experts is excrutiatingly exacting in every field, for technical reasons. In the PipeWorld it is literally impossible without extensive experimentation, special tools and techniques, etc. None of which are necessary when creating pipes under your own brand. Then, you can do anything you want any way you want, and charge whatever you want for it.
So. The only "forgeries" out there are of the Nigerian Scam type, which appeal to "low information" buyers.
The only exception to this are some "fake" Dunhills that are forgeries only in a technical sense. Made in the 1980's by some disgruntled shop workers who made pipes after hours and pocketed them to sell on their own. Authentic Dunhill materials, made in the Dunhill shop, and produced by legit Dunhill staffers... but they were not authorized production.
Ironically (and entertainingly), today, they are worth quite a bit more for being so. What gives them away? As much time as necessary was taken to produce them---no "assembly line style" workstation timer hurried things along---so they are BETTER specimens than normal output in telling ways. [now that's funny rat thar, don't care who yar...
[FS] Possible Dunhill "Not for Sale" 9-19-21 :: Pipes & Accessories Sell/Trade
Here I am offering a rather weird Dunhill. This must be a sample from the factory that was possibly given to the employees. Maybe a Dunhill expert can enlighten me. Dunhill "Not for Sale". This is a Group 5 Bruyere, so it's a pretty big bucket, in a what I believe Smooth Walnut finish with a...
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Yes, I was intrigued enough to buy it, for a discounted price.
I’ve spent a lifetime making a living assessing the credibility of statements..
If this man is mistaken, I’ve gained a wonderful curiosity of what might be the only known counterfeit of a luxury item where the counterfeiter deliberately prevented it from being passed off as genuine.
But I’m expecting a “lunch box special” Dunhill. That’s the simplest explanation.
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Here I am offering a rather weird Dunhill. This must be a sample from the factory that was possibly given to the employees. Maybe a Dunhill expert can enlighten me.
Dunhill "Not for Sale".
This is a Group 5 Bruyere, so it's a pretty big bucket, in a what I believe Smooth Walnut finish with a 6mm filter. It only has a stamp "Not For Sale", but it is unmistakably a Dunhill in terms of shape and quality of workmanship (anyone who has ever screwed the stem out of a Dunnie and back in again can feel it).
The condition is ready to smoke, the mouthpiece has a minimal bite mark and the bite is very thin, I suspect the previous owner filed it a bit.
Nevertheless, a beautiful, extraordinary pipe.
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It’s cleared customs in Mannheim Germany.
How the heck did a White Spot pipe get from England over to Germany?
Did a soldier bring it, then leave it behind?
FRAULEIN
When it arrives I’ll be trying to falsify that White Dot as a forgery.
If the White Spot is real, the rest of the pipe was a “lunch box special”.
Yeah I know, you think you bought a Dunhill. You didn't. The White Spot is practically irrelevant, as it is commonly done and easily done. The details of the pipe construction (as made on Dunhill machinery) would tell a deeper story. But as George has attested and I will second, having handled and refurbished many a Dunhill, that pipe you bought isn't a Dunhill, it's obvious at a glance to anyone with any experience with these pipes. There's a hundred construction details that all Dunhills show because they've been made the same for 100 years. That pipe won't show 'em. Mortise will be wrong. Tenon wrong. Slot wrong. The shape is already wrong, the stem wrong, the finish wrong, and yet you persist. You'll find no "evidence" because you haven't a fucking clue what you're looking for and won't accept anything at all as evidence against your silly story.
If you want to buy a fake Dunhill, at least buy one that looks like a Dunhill.
If you want to buy a fake Dunhill, at least buy one that looks like a Dunhill.
@Briar Lee
You are a litigator. This is what you do. You announce a proposition and then you defend it. Your arguments and all of the data you collect are predicated to supporting your proposition. You defend your proposition and create the essence of reasonable doubt to anything contrary so that your proposition is more than a supposition; You propose that proposition could be fact. But if not a fact, it is a proposition that can be construed as possibly being a fact given certain circumstances.
The problem with your argument is that it is a supposition built on a proposition based on a point of view biased in your own experiences and tethered only by your own constructs to a universe of your own making.
It is religion and you are its apostle.
But that is perfectly fine.
You spin a good yarn and in the suspension of disbelief, I have enjoyed your fables and mythos of the late Lee.
So much so that I have indeed purchased not just a Pipe by Lee Three Star, but a briar lee as well.
I hope they smoke well.
Keep writing .
But more importantly, keep litigating.
I am sure if I get a ticket while parking in a zone previously reserved only for special deliveries of fireworks in the town of Humansville, I will hire you to litigate that ticket...
Hell, I would pay just to hear you spin a yarn to the judge why I should not be held liable for the price of ticket, but that the deputy who wrote the ticket should somehow be held responsible for paying me for my inconvienance of having to show up in court.
Why? Because I could have been on my back porch smoking my Pipe by Lee.
You are a litigator. This is what you do. You announce a proposition and then you defend it. Your arguments and all of the data you collect are predicated to supporting your proposition. You defend your proposition and create the essence of reasonable doubt to anything contrary so that your proposition is more than a supposition; You propose that proposition could be fact. But if not a fact, it is a proposition that can be construed as possibly being a fact given certain circumstances.
The problem with your argument is that it is a supposition built on a proposition based on a point of view biased in your own experiences and tethered only by your own constructs to a universe of your own making.
It is religion and you are its apostle.
But that is perfectly fine.
You spin a good yarn and in the suspension of disbelief, I have enjoyed your fables and mythos of the late Lee.
So much so that I have indeed purchased not just a Pipe by Lee Three Star, but a briar lee as well.
I hope they smoke well.
Keep writing .
But more importantly, keep litigating.
I am sure if I get a ticket while parking in a zone previously reserved only for special deliveries of fireworks in the town of Humansville, I will hire you to litigate that ticket...
Hell, I would pay just to hear you spin a yarn to the judge why I should not be held liable for the price of ticket, but that the deputy who wrote the ticket should somehow be held responsible for paying me for my inconvienance of having to show up in court.
Why? Because I could have been on my back porch smoking my Pipe by Lee.
That's a bit strong. I think he knows. In fact, I am sure he does.
I think it's disingenuous and dangerous to the community to promote myths, to twist bullshit into "possibility", and to obscure and obfuscate rather than search for truth and clarity.
Please stay with me.Yeah I know, you think you bought a Dunhill. You didn't. The White Spot is practically irrelevant, as it is commonly done and easily done. The details of the pipe construction (as made on Dunhill machinery) would tell a deeper story. But as George has attested and I will second, having handled and refurbished many a Dunhill, that pipe you bought isn't a Dunhill, it's obvious at a glance to anyone with any experience with these pipes. There's a hundred construction details that all Dunhills show because they've been made the same for 100 years. That pipe won't show 'em. Mortise will be wrong. Tenon wrong. Slot wrong. The shape is already wrong, the stem wrong, the finish wrong, and yet you persist. You'll find no "evidence" because you haven't a fucking clue what you're looking for and won't accept anything at all as evidence against your silly story.
If you want to buy a fake Dunhill, at least buy one that looks like a Dunhill.
When this arrives I’ll take photos of every single thing that would cause this pipe to be a fake.
Two things intrigue me.
The seller claims it’s a high quality pipe.
And if it’s fake, then why not stamp it Dunhill?
Stamping it NOT FOR SALE without Dunhill stamps under it, meant only a hillbilly lawyer who shaves with Occam’s Razor every day, might buy it, and then for a dime on the dollar.
Occam's razor - Wikipedia - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor
If a Dunhill employee was headed off to Germany, might he not have taken a “lunch box special” with him?
Then some German later on, knows it’s weird but buys it anyway.
Or we could have, a half honest forger.
Talented enough to forge a high quality pipe, but too honest to pass it off as a genuine Dunhill.
Or maybe he thought that might salve his conscience, and he never intended it be for sale.
We’ll see.
By the way, I can tell a Pipe Maker is a Lee because I’ve handed so many Lees.
I’ve never picked up a Dunhill, though.
I need an expert on Dunhills.
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