How to differentiate Astley pipes made by Charatan, by Dunhill or by Ashton?

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francli

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Feb 2, 2023
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Masters! Could you please share with me your experience how to differentiate Astley pipes made by Charatan, by Dunhill or by Ashton?
 

Wild chicken

Lurker
Jan 11, 2023
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Shapes of bowl and shank, mouthpiece. I think it's depend on experience. I have lots of astley's pipes. And love to help you if post your pics.
 

Wild chicken

Lurker
Jan 11, 2023
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Unfortunately, a number of Astley's stamped pipes were faked. So a picture would be essential to determine if your pipe is the real I've heard that before
I've heard that before. And saw some of the examples. They are rough in workmanship. Strangely, where they found the "astley" steel seal? Did the steel seal was stolen. Or they made a new one?
 

alaskanpiper

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May 23, 2019
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As far as I know shaping (of stummel, stem, and bit) and style are about all you have to go on. I do know some of the ones made by Les Wood (of Ferndown fame) do have his usual “LJS” stamped on the silver adornments though, FWIW.

There are almost certainly many folks here with more Astley’s and/or britwood knowledge than I though! Would be cool if there were a more reliable way to tell for sure!
 

Wild chicken

Lurker
Jan 11, 2023
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As far as I know shaping (of stummel, stem, and bit) and style are about all you have to go on. I do know some of the ones made by Les Wood (of Ferndown fame) do have his usual “LJS” stamped on the silver adornments though, FWIW.

There are almost certainly many folks here with more Astley’s and/or britwood knowledge than I though! Would be cool if there were a more reliable way to tell for sure!
The same question: How to differentiate fribourg &treyer pipes?
I think it more difficult than astley's pipes.
 
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greeneyes

Lifer
Jun 5, 2018
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Generally it's best in the absence of other criteria to rely on shape and shape number to attempt to ascribe a maker.

In terms of Astleys, I tend to seek out the earlier double-flanged "A" stamp that predated Upshall (and Ezrati's) ownership. Ken Barnes told a group of us once on a Zoom call: "We owned the Astleys rights and stamps. If we stamped a pipe, it was an Astleys!"

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And the "Ezrati stamp" below...
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