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Lifer
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I placed this here under the general pipe/tobacco chat, as we all consider those blends we smoke with PG in it.

We all get smoking isn’t healthy but do we really want something like PG in our tobacco, when you consider all the things it’s being used for? hmm 🤔

Please share things, by showing us the ingredients of products you know that have PG in them.

I personally always use Homeopathic Swiss Similasan eye drops, so I don’t pay attention to the typical USA brands recommend by doctors, or typically sold in the stores etc...

I was surprised to see that Bausch + Lomb Advanced Eye Relief uses PG, listed as a Lubricant. LOL 😆

But now that I look back and think about PG is common in OTC drops as a lubricant... :(

Guess I can squirt a few drops into my dried out tobacco... LOL rotf

Here’s the ingredients of the Bausch + Lomb drops.


I’m not here to stand on any side of the fence and take sides, but to put our complete blind faith in the FDA, just because they say it’s safe, I’m not so sure.

I found this online, that states this isn’t safe, but I know nothing about this so called Dr.


Another article I found.

 
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Lifer
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These might just be repeating the other articles, I haven’t read this one.


Now this article is based on actual government tests/reports in a government .gov website, so these are facts found by the government.


This is also government information, also be aware that the FDA classified this as ‘Generally’ safe. :(


New Jersey Hazardous Substance Fact Sheet.

 
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Lifer
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I'm surprised of all the things in tobacco and day to day products PG is the one that gets the paranoid focus.

Well, maybe a lot of us, that want naturally topped/cased tobacco, consider then, that the only thing chemically added is PG.

Many blends, they’re telling us they use natural toppings/casings, nothing artificial is added, so this doesn’t seem like anything else is needed, other than maintaining moisture content and shelf life, so PG, again, as the only artificial ingredient added. hmm 🤔
 

canucklehead

Lifer
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PG is one of the main ingredients in Biotene mouthwash.

It has been used as a food additive for many years in Europe as well as north America. It would be virtually impossible to ingest enough through pipe tobacco to reach toxic levels. It is my understanding that you would have to IV a lot of it at once to reach acute toxicity.
 

georged

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This type of thing gets complicated fast because often there are trade-offs in play that people are either unaware of, or don't WANT to mention because it hurts THEIR case.

Example: In medicine, specialist doctors tend to be hammers who see THEIR particular nail everywhere. The cardiac guy wants a particular patient's blood pressure kept as low as is safe because of a heart condition; but the kidney guy wants it higher because the BP drug being used to lower it exacerbates the same patient's kidney problem.

Which one is right? They both are. Both can prove it with numbers. So who decides---indeed is capable---of accurately deciding which course of treatment has the most likely best outcome over the long term? The best "net" outcome?

And so on.

Bottom line: Many ingredients in many products are proveably harmful, but have positive effects that OUTWEIGH that harm.
 

canucklehead

Lifer
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Well, maybe a lot of us, that want naturally topped/cased tobacco, consider then, that the only thing chemically added is PG.

Many blends, they’re telling us they use natural toppings/casings, nothing artificial is added, so this doesn’t seem like anything else is needed, other than maintaining moisture content and shelf life, so PG, again, as the only artificial ingredient added. hmm 🤔
PG is natural, it occurs in the human gut as a result of the breakdown of sugars.
 

canucklehead

Lifer
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Same

Burning organic materials creates carcinogenic vapors, PG isn't something I'd be concerned about.
Burning tobacco also produces superheated gaseous DHMO, which causes a whole host of health issues, and every single tobacco company adds it to their tobaccos.



 

Chasing Embers

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Burning tobacco also produces superheated gaseous DHMO, which causes a whole host of health issues, and every single tobacco company adds it to their tobaccos.



Just pointing out that PG isn't the major risk.
 

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Lifer
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Just pointing out that PG isn't the major risk.
While it’s true, there are many bad things from tobacco, the carcinogenic side, when burning.

But it is true in Medicine Medical Science when you combine several drugs together you increase their lethality.

Unless there is research on PG combined with nicotine, and the by products of burning tobacco, we’ll never really know the truth, of how much risk it increases.

Regardless I don’t think much about this, because I choose to smoke blends that are unadulterated, or at least I believe they are. I’ve always just felt like the purer the tobacco, the better it tastes, without artificial ingredients. You could say I look at it like artificial flavors vs natural flavors in food, I’ve personally never found artificial flavors to ever rival natural.

I just believe it’s good to be informed is all, and that is the point of the post, to just inform and consider, do we want natural purer tobacco, or laced with artificial ingredients. 🤔
 
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It is an effective humectant.
  • It is a solvent for fragrances and preservatives.
  • It can be used as an emulsifier or co-surfactant.
  • It is used as a solvent for pigments in cosmetics.
  • It can be used as a preservative due to its antifungal and antimicrobial properties.
  • It is frequently used in deodorants and antiperspirants.
  • It is found in hand cleansers and disinfecting gels.
  • It is a common additive in shaving creams and gels.
 

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Lifer
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It is an effective humectant.
  • It is a solvent for fragrances and preservatives.
  • It can be used as an emulsifier or co-surfactant.
  • It is used as a solvent for pigments in cosmetics.
  • It can be used as a preservative due to its antifungal and antimicrobial properties.
  • It is frequently used in deodorants and antiperspirants.
  • It is found in hand cleansers and disinfecting gels.
  • It is a common additive in shaving creams and gels.

Yes it’s considered a Humectant, and it’s odd when you consider the vast amount of those things it’s used for, crossing a barrier I’ll call it, from external to internal usages.

I mean when you really think about it, something applied externally to the skin, that you also inhale into your mouth. LOL 😆

If people actually read the vast list of things it’s externally used for, and really considered this, and that they know, now inhale it into their mouths, maybe they’ll think twice, if they understand all the usages it’s being applied to, how it doesn’t make sense to use it like this.

Because there are better, natural ingredients to use instead.

Do you know Honey is a natural humectant? 🐝
 
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Yes it’s considered a Humectant, and it’s odd when you consider the vast amount of those things it’s used for, crossing a barrier I’ll call it, from external to internal usages.

I mean when you really think about it, something applied externally to the skin, that you also inhale into your mouth. LOL 😆
I think it’s fairly benign for the most part. The question is: Is it benign when it’s heated up and put in your mouth? Or worse, heated up and INHALED?

The feds are after the Vape folks because of the inhalation of PG in that product (as well as the flavors and nicotine). I try to avoid it. It seems to exacerbate Tongue bite for me.
 
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I think it’s fairly benign for the most part. The question is: Is it benign when it’s heated up and put in your mouth? Or worse, heated up and INHALED?

The feds are after the Vape folks because of the inhalation of PG in that product (as well as the flavors and nicotine). I try to avoid it. It seems to exacerbate Tongue bite for me.
No, it’s not a dirty word….. puffy
 
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If people actually read the vast list of things it’s externally used for, and really considered this, and that they know, now inhale it into their mouths, maybe they’ll think twice, if they understand all the usages it’s being applied to, how it doesn’t make sense to use it like this.
That something may be useful in a lot of external applications says absolutely nothing about its safety when consumed.
 

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Lifer
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Well, we drink alcohol

You can’t simply say Alcohol and put them all under one classification.

Also a lot, if not most alcohol, like whiskey, scotch, vodka, are derived from natural sources grains and starches like potatoes.

But I am reading that PG has been created synthetically, but it can also be produced naturally too.

So, the question begs, how safe is the naturally made PG, and then, do any of the tobacco blenders out there use it’s natural form... hmm 🤔