FDA Publishes Long-Awaited PMTA List for Deemed Tobacco Products

[homesteader]

It will take someone smarter than me to figure this out, but I did see some of my favorite tobaccos were grandfathered in. Maybe someone with the right skills can produce a list of what's in and out.

Here's the article: https://tobaccobusiness.com/fda-publishes-long-awaited-pmta-list-for-deemed-tobacco-products/

Here's a link to the FDA website with the info: https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-product...cco-product-applications-lists#list of deemed

 

[Aomalley27]

It will take someone smarter than me to figure this out, but I did see some of my favorite tobaccos were grandfathered in. Maybe someone with the right skills can produce a list of what's in and out.

Here's the article: FDA Publishes Long-Awaited PMTA List for Deemed Tobacco Products - https://tobaccobusiness.com/fda-publishes-long-awaited-pmta-list-for-deemed-tobacco-products/

Here's a link to the FDA website with the info: https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-products/market-and-distribute-tobacco-product/deemed-new-tobacco-product-applications-lists#list of deemed

Did a quick search, and was surprised that STG only submitted 1 Peterson blend for grandfathering (although I may be interpreting it wrong, and perhaps only 1 blend has been grandfathered thus far?)... Sweet Killarney!
Shocked 3P’s, University Flake, Dunhill rebrands etc arent included. All the Lane bulks were on there, as well as the Stokkebye blends.

 

[Aomalley27]

Looked up Middleton.... and surprisingly they’ve grandfathered Kentucky Club, Walnut, Sugar Barrel, Cherry, And Walnut on top of PA and CH. maybe they’ll resurrect those blends sometime, I really enjoyed KC and Walnut.

 

[BarrelProof]

I don’t know how to make sense of the list. I’d love to see someone compile the various sheets into one that has all of the pipe blends we’d care about, along with a simple yes/no for if it’s staying or getting chopped.

Also, does this excruciatingly slow momentum indicate that this might actually happen, vs. their propensity to make claims about this type of thing, only to have it perpetually tied up in litigation, lobbying, etc., effectively going nowhere beyond a slight scare?

Looking for some solid advice here because, admittedly, I’ve done very little research but would be willing to ramp up TAD considerably on the sound advice of those in the know...

I understand that there’s no better time to stock up, so get it while we can. Just looking for a little more information about any specific dates, or timelines, that seem more credible than constant shots in the dark.

 

[mso489]

Approving blends that have already been long discontinued is theater of the absurd. I'm afraid to open the link to many questions and no answers. I'm sure all decisions will be made by people who don't smoke pipes and have never known anyone who has.

 

[BarrelProof]

Approving blends that have already been long discontinued is theater of the absurd. I'm afraid to open the link to many questions and no answers. I'm sure all decisions will be made by people who don't smoke pipes and have never known anyone who has.

Is it?

Marketing at its finest. Let the market dry up for a bit and then reintroduce in the name of nostalgia, charging twice the price, which diehards would likely, happily pay.

 

[Aomalley27]

?I don’t see Maltese Falcon listed under the 27 pages of Laudisi submissions.?
Lots of other Pease blends... Abington, Westminster etc.

 

[Aomalley27]

Approving blends that have already been long discontinued is theater of the absurd. I'm afraid to open the link to many questions and no answers. I'm sure all decisions will be made by people who don't smoke pipes and have never known anyone who has.

Actually, those Middleton blends were approved in 2017 (submissions were 2016) and weren’t discontinued until 2018. ?

 

[bullet08]

OK. Lots of GLP blends sound promising. Peterson/Dunhill thing is rather disappointing, but I think I have what I need, not if amount I want.

 

[anotherbob]

what does the substantially similar mean? Probably has more to do with casings and toppings then the stuff we consider to make a blend different. Which might be the case if more aros or on the list then non-aros.

 

[sablebrush52]

Dunhill blends were never in a position to be grandfathered in because they left the US market between 2008 and 2010.

I suspect a number of blends will reappear after being Deemed using the SE route. This will likely be the case with the Peterson/Dunhill blends.

 

[homesteader]

Lots of interesting stuff buried in the lists. Sutliff made tobacco for Kwik Trip--I assume that's the convenience store chain.

The most intriguing thing I found so far is Sutliff "TS5 (201-5) McClelland In Bond." Don't know what that means for fans of the defunct company. Probably just ingredients Sutliff sold to McClelland when they were in business.

 

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The trout....

 

[carolinasmokes]

I sure am glad the OTC tobaccos were grandfathered in and safe. I would miss SWR and SWRA. ?

 

[JKoD]

There is always something. Cigars went through this a while back and there are still great cigars. The money attached to tobacco is too great to diminish. They’re just making it more difficult and clearly more expensive because it’s a moneymaker.

 

[jaytex1969]

I'm going to try reading the article, but I'm already worried with the opening line....



I had NO idea that this was so important as to get NATO involved!

 

[fireground_piper]

The article and the FDA site itself says the posted lists aren't complete. Am I missing something?

 

[Aomalley27]

The article and the FDA site itself says the posted lists aren't complete. Am I missing something?

They are still accepting and reviewing applications for grandfathering. The latest I saw while browsing was grandfathered on May 14th.

 

[oldgeezersmoker]

The grandfathering list is just that, a list. The FDA still takes applications to be on it, no deadline. like in the PTMA or SE portals.
A manufacture, importer or distributor can determine on their own whether their product is grandfathered or substantially equivalent. They are perfectly free to rely on their own opinion of the STATUTORY definitions. You don’t have to be on ANY list, you can wait for. a nasty letter, and either fight or fold then.

As far as Dunhill/Peterson/STG goes, in spite of it not being imported into the US, it was continuously available elsewhere under different names, for example, Wellhauer Nightcap in Switzerland with the same tin art.

The FDA has said pipe tobacco is not an “enforcement priority”. I never practiced before the FDA, but I did other Federal Agencies. What those two words translate to is asking forgiveness later will be much easier than asking permission now.

There is not one positive thing a single one of us can do as consumers to contribute in any way to this ongoing process, except possibly get some do gooder who has an anti tobacco mission in life and stumbles across this thread curious. “Gee why isn’t pipe tobacco getting raked over the coals like vape? Flavored Cigars? Menthol Cigarettes? “

Anybody been jailed for importing an artisan pipe? Mixing 1Q and BCA together? All sorts of things were very confidently predicted to happen in August 2016 that haven’t happeNed- yet Some of them still could, but some are unlikely.

Just a reminder of what the consensus was then:

New FDA Regulations: How Do They Impact the Pipe World?

Tom Wolfe There has been a lot of hype and rumor the last few months about the new FDA "Deeming" rules that go into effect on August 8, 2016. What with the Nashville Pipe Show being cancelled, and several pipe makers deciding to quit the business, there is a lot of panic in the industry. […]

pipesmagazine.com

Less said the better. From me, radio silence on anything related to the FDA from here on until there are concrete developments about actual regulations beyond what we already know. Which I don’t expect soon.

 

[gatorhazard]

I just picked up an 8oz tub of Maltese Falcon. Looks like I might need to grab some more huh? I figure my favorite is safe and it looks like Pirate Kake is also safe. The Dunhill blends that are now Peterson (MM 965, Nightcap, EMP) are they safe? Or does ownership mess that up?