Early Era Sasieni 1-Dot Shape 19S

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sablebrush52

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Very interesting. I would have assumed the stinger was a threaded, screw-in piece. The friction fit were more commonly found on the sub-brands (like Sashar mentioned above). Does the tenon have threads inside it? I suppose the stinger could have been put in the wrong pipe at some point.
I have both 4 and 8 Dots that came with either a fixed or a removable stinger, so I suspect that there wasn't a hard and fast rule. As for passing a pipe cleaner, that was only possible when you removed the stem and worked the cleaner through the side hole. The "pipe cleaner" litmus test is kind of bullshit standard.

 

puffermark

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Does the tenon have threads inside it?
Nope. Friction fit as far as I can tell, although it needed some heating (heat gun) to dislodge it, probably due to hardened tobacco gunk more than anything else.
The "pipe cleaner" litmus test is kind of bullshit standard.
Totally agree. But there were a a bunch of wacky ideas/patents back then.

 

jguss

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Patent numbers were used in the markets for which the patent had been granted (i.e. a UK patent number was stamped on a pipe sold in the UK, and the equivalent US patent number was stamped on a pipe shipped to the US); moreover I believe such pipes were marked only during the period the patent was in force. There may be exceptions to this practice, but it was the case often enough with other manufacturers that I suspect it was the rule.
In this case it looks to me like the stinger matches patent GB213201 applied for by Joel Sasieni in the UK on January 29, 1923, which was the equivalent of patent number US1513428 granted in the US on October 28, 1924. Since at that time patent life in the UK was 14 years from application, and in the US 17 years from grant, UK sold pipes would have been stamped with the patent number through early 1937, while US sold pipes would have been stamped through the fall of 1941. Note that in the UK it was possible to apply for a 7 year extension of the patent (which would have extended the expiration date to early 1944), but I have found no evidence that Sasieni attempted this.
In sum, the patent applied to the stinger, not the dot; the stinger is original to the pipe and matches patents granted in both the UK and the US; and the lack of a patent stamp suggests to me that the pipe dates to a time after these patents expired, i.e. 1937 or later. Given the fishtail logo the likely range is approximately 1937-1946, with war-related disruptions making a date of 1937-1939 more likely.
Incidentally, if you want to see an example of a pipe stamped with a UK patent number, see Ashdigger's one dot here: http://pipesmagazine.com/forums/topic/sasieni-one-dot-w-script-w-patent-w-stinger-pic-heavy. It's clearly marked with the number for an earlier UK patent that protected an earlier version of a stinger: GB150221/20. The 150221 on the shank is the patent number of course, and the suffix /20 denotes the year of the patent.

 

dmcmtk

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What jguss above makes a lot of sense as to the dating of the pipe. My issue about the shape number 19S Pembroke Saddle Stem is that these shape codes (usually seen on Sasieni "Seconds") correspond to the introduction of the Four Dots with town names. What is typically seen on early One Dots are completely different shape numbers, if any numbers at all.
:)

 

puffermark

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Many many thanks, gentlemen, especially jguss for all the research. Once again you prove yourselves to be a remarkable resource and a wealth of knowledge.
I think this one's going to enjoy a special place in the rack. I had a bowl of GLP Gaslight in it yesterday and it's a cracking smoker.
One more remark, it is a quite a large pipe, which can to a degree be seen by the size relative to the pipe stand. It therefore shows no sign of the paucity of briar during the war years. That to me would seem to underscore jguss's probable estimation on 1937 - 39.
Thanks once again.

 
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