Dating a Charatan Pipe
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@kenbarnes would know better than anybody here. He trained at Charatan, co-founded Upshall, and his father was General Manager of Charatan. Send him a PM.
Take an interest in its interests, listen to what it has to say, and be honest about your feelings.
I don't think my wife would approve as she tells me I'm happily married.
Not familiar with that one, I would guess it’s a second line, but it’s got the Charatan marking on the right side of the shank. Interesting.
Charatan produced a lot of seconds and private labels. And the stem not being a DC wouldn’t necessarily indicate a pre 1960 pipe. Second lines used a regular tapered stem after that date.
Charatan produced a lot of seconds and private labels. And the stem not being a DC wouldn’t necessarily indicate a pre 1960 pipe. Second lines used a regular tapered stem after that date.
Hi mycroftholmes.
what you could do is measure the overall length of the pipe and weigh it (preferably in cms and grams). That could be a useful start in trying to work out when it was made.
what you could do is measure the overall length of the pipe and weigh it (preferably in cms and grams). That could be a useful start in trying to work out when it was made.
Funny enough. I have two pipes stamped HENLEY. A no name rustic and a Bewlay Standard. I think thats a tobacconists name.
Here are the dimensions for the 140 from 1951. Reuben Charatan was known to be quite exact of the lengths of his catalogue shapes. Now I have seen the original box, I am fairly certain that this piece is from the late 1950s. I think Jon Guss may have some more info relating to when Charatan acquired their various Charatan shops namely Panton Street, Jermyn Street, Grosvenor Street and Whitcomb Street. Charatan used to include these shops on the box. I think Barry first started his apprenticeship with Reuben in Vine Street. I will ask him next time I speak when the Minories factory was in use and possibly approximate dates that the other shops opened (and closed). This is another way of dating the pipe.
Yes Jensen, I am sure that Henley was the name of the shop that the pipe was supplied to. The aspects I am not sure about are the mouthpiece, the small flaws I see on the bowl of this Deluxe (unusual) and the character of the Charatan's make London, England stamp.
Yes Jensen, I am sure that Henley was the name of the shop that the pipe was supplied to. The aspects I am not sure about are the mouthpiece, the small flaws I see on the bowl of this Deluxe (unusual) and the character of the Charatan's make London, England stamp.
Can anyone help date this Charatan pipe? Does anyone know anything about this wife of mine? What time period is it manufactured?
Thank a lot.
Have you checked out the section at the top of the forum page entitled Ken Barnes Posts? Ken trained at worked at Charatan and knew more about them any anyone else I've met. He answered people's questions over a 5 year period and those answers are collected there.
Thank you!
I sent him a message but he hasn't logged in for a long time so he can't see it. I need someone else who can give me some information.
You’re going to have a bit of a wait. Ken passed away last year. His collected posts may be of help. Otherwise perhaps someone else may have an answer for you. Good luck.
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