Crop Circles

[Briar Lee]

With all due respect, there are significant differences between hoaxed crop circles and not-hoaxed.

Hoaxed formations generally involve flattening and breaking the crop, using wooden boards and whatnot. The mysterious majority leave the crop bent but alive, interwoven for the most part, with elongated or holed "knee" joints - the elongation can almost be done using microwaves, experiment has shown.

Given the structural complexity of what happens to the crop, let alone the large-scale complex symmetries of the pattern and the rapidity with which these things appear, other explanations than Dougs and Daves after an evening in the pub are required. Despite about 30 summers elapsing, hitherto these explanations have not been forthcoming.

There is the further mystery of batteries discharging rapidly within fresh formations and other such effects.

It's frustrating to the inquiring mind, but it is what it is. Calling bullshit is the peasants option.

What the old Cambellites did, really, was teach critical thinking by maternal discipline from a very tender age.

By the time the kid is old enough to be taught Occam’s Razor he’s been practicing it for years.

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A farmer sees a crop circle.

Is there a mysterious and complex explanation or is it like Robinson Carusoe seeing a footprint in the sand?

The evil of believing even the tiniest, smallest bit of bullshit is that bullshit believing is highly contagious, and it leads to more and more false beliefs, until you have a McMartin Preschool event.

McMartin preschool trial - Wikipedia

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Also see:

Satanic panic - Wikipedia

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Civilization is truth.

Otherwise the animal like eyes of cavemen stare out, afraid of evil spirits in the dark outside the cave.

 

[Zzzapipe]

The lies in the current civilization are palpable.

 

[BingBong]

What the old Cambellites did, really, was teach critical thinking by maternal discipline from a very tender age.

By the time the kid is old enough to be taught Occam’s Razor he’s been practicing it for years.

https://www.aaas.org/taxonomy/term/10/origin-and-popular-use-occams-razor#:~:text=Occam's%20razor%20is%20used%20as,when%20distinguishing%20between%20two%20theories.

A farmer sees a crop circle.

Is there a mysterious and complex explanation or is it like Robinson Carusoe seeing a footprint in the sand?

The evil of believing even the tiniest, smallest bit of bullshit is that bullshit believing is highly contagious, and it leads to more and more false beliefs, until you have a McMartin Preschool event.

McMartin preschool trial - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Civilization is truth.

Otherwise the animal like eyes of cavemen stare out, afraid of evil spirits in the dark outside the cave.

If only there were footprints, well, there are with the hoaxes - it's one of the ways to quickly call b.s. on a bad 'un.

The evil of believing even the tiniest bit of bullshit... like the "magic bullet" or the Gulf of Tonkin incident or "he's got WMD" or.... Yes, highly contagious, especially among those with a vested interest.

 

[Zzzapipe]

During the planning and plotting stages of a large landscaping job that involved stretches of pathways filled with pavers. Setting up concrete forms and string lines to mimic the geographical patterns on the blueprint an architect provides is no simple task.

I bet on close inspection, you could easily distinguish what was a man created hoax vs what was mysteriously and biologically manipulated.

Occam's razor is a perfect idealogy to use when I emphatically explain to you that I own a garden with a pen of mermaids riding on unicorn's.

When I describe them in detail, paint pictures, and create animations for them, you would be deemed a heretic for not believing me. Especially if I can convince others to tell the same story.

Just don't ask me to take you there to show you them personally.

Believe me I have them.

or you can apply Occam's razor .

"of two competing theories, the simpler explanation of an entity is to be preferred."

 

[Zzzapipe]

There is some kind of human need to believe in sheer bullshit.

What I can’t understand is why my little hillbilly community was so utterly opposed to bullshit.


It probably had to do with Union soldiers taking over and buying up estates of dead rebels after the Civil War.

Almost every little church around there and every little school was founded by the teachings of Dr John Whitaker.

Weaubleau Christian College - Wikipedia

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John Whitaker (1842-1910) - Find a Grave Memorial

1853 Joined the Christian Church was an active member the remainder of his life. 1861-65 Served in the Union Army. 1863 Ordained a Christian minister. 1866 Married Emeline Earnest. 1871 Founded Weaubleau Christian Institute, served 29 years as President. 1873 Graduated from Union Christian...

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You were encouraged to debate facts, but you were completely forbidden to make up facts.

To even ask or wonder if the moon landings were faked would have been incredibly risky.

The very least that would have happened is your mother would have slapped you so hard you’d see stars. Serious.

On the other hand, we’d debate for hours why some people believed in bullshit like the moon landings were faked.

I got my edition of the World Book Encyclopedia in the fall of 1962 when I was 4 1/2 years old. After that, if I contradicted or questioned one word there,,,,it was bad. Very bad.

World Book Encyclopedia - Wikipedia

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[Zzzapipe]

Funny, I remember asking my grandfather and his friends (born in 1911) why they didn’t believe in the moon landing.

“It was on TV!” he said, they could convince you of anything on TV”

 

[Waning Embers]

I got my edition of the World Book Encyclopedia in the fall of 1962 when I was 4 1/2 years old. After that, if I contradicted or questioned one word there,,,,it was bad. Very bad.

Questioning societal norms has always been bad, the populace has always feared free thinkers. Look at what happened to the likes of Galileo and others like him.

“It was on TV!” he said, they could convince you of anything on TV”

The can and still do.

 

[Briar Lee]

Part of the reason we were taught to never believe in bullshit was that Pontus Pilate knew Christ was innocent, yet ordered Him crucified to placate the mob.

What about the juries that convicted the witches at Salem?

Or the ones that convict innocent men today?

Flying saucers, crop circles, faked moon landings, satanic cults, 100 mpg cars and shadowy pedophile rings all make a lot of money for people who know better to milk money from the gullible.

Telling lies is always a sexier, flashier, easier way to impress the everyday people, than the boring, mundane truth.

But God rewards the true Christian.

Not always, but enough that the safest policy is to never spread bullshit.

Buzz Aldrin and his new wife



And it goes both ways. She’s 66 and a doctor and a chemical engineer.

Anca Faur

MD & PhD, vice-president of Buzz Aldrin Ventures

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Try explaining to her any bullshit.

Won’t happen.

 

[Zzzapipe]

If you believe Dr’s are incapable of bull shit. I’ll raise you a couple of sleeping security guards and tubs of baby oil and confetti.

I do agree with you:

“that the safest policy is to never spread bullshit.”

 

[BingBong]

Reports of crop circles and anomalous flying phenomena both go back centuries. They're intermittent features of our world, let's say. We don't get to make the rules.

Escudo? DNR?

Crop Circle at Ware Farm Manor, Nr Lyme Regis, Devon. Reported 28th June 2025

 

[Sig]

Reports of crop circles and anomalous flying phenomena both go back centuries. They're intermittent features of our world, let's say. We don't get to make the rules.

Escudo? DNR?

Crop Circle at Ware Farm Manor, Nr Lyme Regis, Devon. Reported 28th June 2025

It's just difficult to explain to some people that there is a HUGE difference between the jokes that Doug and Dave made, and the extraordinarily intricate designs measured to 1/100 of an inch, proved to be done in a few hours.
Is it aliens?
Is it the government?
Is it some extremely dedicated group of scientists?
One thing for sure, they cannot all be hoaxes....period.
There are scientists who have given up good careers to investigate crop circles because the circles are unexplainable at this time.
If people would get past the goofy UFO "investigators", and follow some of the work done by level headed experts who HAD zero belief in alien made crop circles until the impossibilities stumped them....maybe they would get it.
Several of the leading circle investigators still do not believe circles are made by aliens. THAT is exactly why they are intrigued.

 

[Zzzapipe]

BingBong may have seen this:

Heard a story in a documentary that after concluding no machinery or footprints were located at a crop circle site, they noticed that the pattern imprinted in the field was not pressed down or flatten by boards, but that a growth node several inches up from the ground had been elongated and weakened to the point of bending.

More astonishing, was the claim
that the wheat shafts had interwoven themselves together as they fell, negating any theory that trampled boards under feet created the pattern.

Can’t confirm for myself, but that would be an interesting piece of the puzzle.

I have heard of no reasonable explanation for that phenomenon if it did in fact occur.

And yet, I can still find references of “professionals” who claim all crop circles are man made.

Show us, I know of an industry that could be very lucrative with those skills.

What does the OP think?

 

[Sig]

BingBong may have seen this:

Heard a story in a documentary that after concluding no machinery or footprints were located at a crop circle site, they noticed that the pattern imprinted in the field was not pressed down or flatten by boards, but that a growth node several inches up from the ground had been elongated and weakened to the point of bending.

More astonishing, was the claim
that the wheat shafts had interwoven themselves together as they fell, negating any theory that trampled boards under feet created the pattern.

Can’t confirm for myself, but that would be an interesting piece of the puzzle.

I have heard of no reasonable explanation for that phenomenon if it did in fact occur.

And yet, I can still find references of “professionals” who claim all crop circles are man made.

Show us, I know of an industry that could be very lucrative with those skills.

What does the OP think?

Many of the "man made" theorists have been tasked to replicate these circles with extreme tolerances. Some have 300+ circles that are absolutely identical in size and distance from each other.
Absolutely zero people have succeeded.
Many circles use advanced mathematics and advanced physics knowledge.
There is a documentary out there where a team of 50 people tried to replicate a relatively basic circle. They were given anything they needed to complete the task.
After 6 days what they had was laughable. The circle they were trying to copy was easily visible from a well traveled bridge. Thousands of travelers know the circle was made overnight. 50 artists, scientists, and engineers couldn't even come close in 6 days of work.
Something is going on.
I'll try to find a link. It's only like a 50 minute documentary.

 

[Zzzapipe]

Is it aliens?
Is it the government?
Is it some extremely dedicated group of scientists?
One thing for sure, they cannot all be hoaxes.

Right? I have more questions than answers as usual.

Do we think someone knows something or that nobody knows anything?

Here’s an interview clip (15min) on this exact topic. I could only bear about 10 minutes of it. I don’t completely trust these two as they just seem to be playing through a script. I find it completely mind boggling that the professional in this interview bull-dozed over a key piece of information I never heard of before.

Physical evidence left behind at crop circles? Tiny spheres? Do tell ? What ???? With all the forensic tools at our disposal?

Just finished a late dinner, I think I’ll finish the rest of my Squadron Leader - in a ChaCom elephant - as I contemplate this some more.

 

[Zzzapipe]

 

[georged]

Hold your hand at arm's length toward the darkest, most empty spot in the night sky, then pinch your thumb and forefinger almost together so they're about 1/8" apart. Then "cut off" the sides so you're looking at a square.

There's nothing there, right? Because it's jet black, and the nearest star is several inches to either side of your hand.

Well, if you look at that spot with an extra-fancy magnifier that's above the Earth's atmosphere, this is what's there:







The whole size thing is as disturbing as it is amazing. Traveling at ten million miles per hour, it would take 300 years to travel to Earth's nearest star (besides the Sun, of course). To cross the Milky Way at that speed would take six million years. To reach the "next galaxy over" would take 25 million years.

And the specks of light in that image are galaxies, not stars.

How many galaxies are there?

Two trillion.

What's the total number of stars, then?

200 sextillion.



Even more fun... the state of a particle in one of those galaxies can be directly connected to a particle on your desk. When one changes, the other does too. Instantaneously.

Something that humans are incapable of understanding is at work, there, in the same way dogs are incapable of understanding algebra.

Which, of course, raises the question of who (what) "out there" might be to humans what humans are to dogs, intellectually.

And which of those is the smartest of the lot.



And with that, it's time for a smoke...

 

[The Benedictine]

 

[Zzzapipe]

The whole size thing is as disturbing as it is amazing. Traveling at ten million miles per hour, it would take 300 years to travel to Earth's nearest star (besides the Sun, of course). To cross the Milky Way at that speed would take six million years. To reach the "next galaxy over" would take 25 million years.

Riddle me this :

If the earth is moving at that speed in the solar system, how is it that people can take time lapse photography like this?

 

[Briar Lee]

My father had died in September 1971 and by February 1972 my mother was engaged to the handsomest man I’ll ever see, Hadley Worthan.

We had cattle that needed water, and Hadley and I were on the old home place where my father was raised, after dark, and a zillion stars lit up the heavens.

I looked up and said look Hadley, there’s Orin’s belt, and other there is the Little Dipper, and I can see the twin stars in she tail of the Big Dipper and there’s the Milky Way!

Hadley said just think, in a few hours the sun is going to circle around and come up in the East and we won’t be able to see those stars until it sets in the West.

I was 13. I realized Hadley Worthan thought the world was flat and the sun orbited the earth.

I loved Hadley. He treated my mother like gold, and he loved me as much as a step father could.

I said Hadley, we are members of the Christian Church, and if you tell Mama about the sun circling the earth she’s going get mad beyond any kind of belief. You know how her temper is.

Hadley and Mama were married six moths and she left him, and Hadley went on to marry another women who’d agree with anything he said.

When you consider a crop circle or an animal multination, either aliens had to be really bored and acted like teenagers or there’s a logical and natural explanation.

Bullshit is airways bullshit: Not sometimes, always.

It’s just not polite to call it that. you know?

 

[Zzzapipe]

“Bullshit is airways bullshit: Not sometimes, always.

It’s just not polite to call it that. you know?”

I would agree, and in the daily existence of life here on the planet, what should a good samaritan do when confronted with bull shit?

There is so much, I try to ignore all of it, but then you come back after sometime, and your lawn is filled with bullshit, it’s difficult to walk less you step in it.

FYI : I remember having a conversation with an elderly Muslim woman, who told me that in their religion, it is known that the world is a flat extensive plane.

Now the B.S is really flying but who is perpetrating it?