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BROBS

Lifer
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anybody else notice it's not the same at all?
it has like barely any casing... wtf.
 

timt

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I bought my first tins of this back in June and opened one a few weeks ago. I have to agree with you on this because it tastes like straight Virginia to me. Was wondering if I got a tin of a batch that missed out on the strong topping I've been hearing about. Glad (I guess) it's not just me - I'm a big fan of the Lakeland/floral thing.
 
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wolflarsen

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Yep. I only have the one tin (2018) so nothing to compare it to but I did expect it to have some sort of flavoring. I detect almost none. Very very faintly floral ... maybe. It sucks. I'll probably never open the jar again. Grasmere on the other hand...
 
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Lifer
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Grasmere is great.

but yeah.. I had a tin that must have been older maybe 2 years ago that was REALLY strong with lemongrass or whatever casing.. it was delicious. Based on this I ordered 4 tins to cellar and one to open. The one I opened has like zero casing, especially compared to the first tin I had. Really disappointed in it and it's not like it's cheap :(
 

BROBS

Lifer
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Dang now I wish I would have returned it right away but I thought maybe the 1 tin was just a fluke. Oh well guess I could trade/sell it. It’s still a good smoke but not what I thought it was going to be based on my previous tin.

I too put mine directly into a jar hoping maybe the one I had before had just aged magically but after a year it seems basically the same as when I opened it. :(
 

verporchting

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Dec 30, 2018
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I've noticed the SG and G&H flakes sometimes have an over abundance of the Kendal sauce and at other times I have to check my invoice to see if I accidentally ordered the unscented variety. Think maybe it just varies by batch.

Unless they've outsourced production to Poland and then I'm gonna ask somebody to stop the planet and let me off.

Ugh.
 

Johnny_Pipecleaner

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This is terrible news. I just ordered some from Iwan Ries based on the wonderful experience I had with my first and only tin of Grousemoor back in 2003. If it’s a weak tin like yours I’m going to be really let down.
 
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Lifer
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I am going to guess it is because all the older run got sold out I believe... like in 2017. All these tins now are from the more recent production (2018+). I’d be interested to see how new the tins you get are and if a different lot number (newer) maybe will be better?
I will dig out mine and post the lot number when I can. I believe there is a guide somewhere I saw (maybe on smokingpipes?) that explained deciphering the lot codes. I hope it’s just one lot and they didn’t listen to people bitching saying the casing was too strong or anything.
 
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Johnny_Pipecleaner

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I am going to guess it is because all the older run got sold out I believe... like in 2017. All these tins now are from the more recent production (2018+). I’d be interested to see how new the tins you get are and if a different lot number (newer) maybe will be better?
I will dig out mine and post the lot number when I can. I believe there is a guide somewhere I saw (maybe on smokingpipes?) that explained deciphering the lot codes. I hope it’s just one lot and they didn’t listen to people bitching saying the casing was too strong or anything.

Here's how to date the SG tins
You Can Now Date Your Gawith Tobaccos — Smokingpipes.com - https://www.smokingpipes.com/smokingpipesblog/single.cfm/post/you-can-now-date-your-gawith-tobaccos

I'm at work now and my tins are at home, but I checked them last night and I think my Cabbies is from around March 2019 and my Grousemoor is from late 2018. I can give you exact codes this evening when I'm back home. I wasn't really planning on popping the tin until Springtime, but I can pop it open and jar it. NBD. I'm curious.

Not going to return the tin or anything though. Wouldn't be worth the postage back to Chicago from here in Oakland. Plus as it sounds, the tobacco is still good, it's just not what we've come to expect and love from this blend (potentially)
 

tokerpipes

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I wonder if the older undated tins were the same recipe but cellared by the company and the taste we love just needs to age for the same results. Maybe they had such a back stock that it finally got to the newer stuff and needs to sit longer in the closet?
 

jeff540

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I was going to order more soon too, so I'm very curious. I actually enjoy the occasional wallop of floral overkill that is (or maybe "was") Grousemoor. A 50g tin lasts me about 5 years, and my current almost empty jar is from pre-merger product.
 

wolflarsen

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Why would they bother saucing the product for the American market?

Sauce or no sauce, they know it will sell out within 24 hours of hitting the online shelves and then just sit in the back of some hoarders closet until he kicks the bucket and his widow sends it to the landfill.

I jest, but have to wonder if the stuff sold in Europe, where panick buying and cellaring isn't really a thing, is more saucy.
 

Johnny_Pipecleaner

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I wonder if the older undated tins were the same recipe but cellared by the company and the taste we love just needs to age for the same results. Maybe they had such a back stock that it finally got to the newer stuff and needs to sit longer in the closet?

I'm no tobaccyologist or anything, but it doesn't seem like cellaring is going to bring a blend from bland to bursting. I hope so, but from my memory and from the reviews I've read, the old Grousemoor is like an old lady hitting you over the head with a purse full of wonderful perfume. I just don't see how that might grow from a lackluster tin if it wasn't already installed during manufacturing.
 
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tokerpipes

Lifer
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I'm no tobaccyologist or anything, but it doesn't seem like cellaring is going to bring a blend from bland to bursting. I hope so, but from my memory and from the reviews I've read, the old Grousemoor is like an old lady hitting you over the head with a purse full of wonderful perfume. I just don't see how that might grow from a lackluster tin if it wasn't already installed during manufacturing.
You never know unless you try. But I see where you are coming from.
 

BROBS

Lifer
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I wonder if the older undated tins were the same recipe but cellared by the company and the taste we love just needs to age for the same results. Maybe they had such a back stock that it finally got to the newer stuff and needs to sit longer in the closet?
nah.. it's totally different. not an aging change
 
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