Cavdendish = Aromatic?

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sjfine

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Does the mere inclusion of Cavendish an aromatic make?
Cavendish is a process, I know, and an aromatic is topped, right? But since there are so many crossovers, I wonder what the purists think.

 

aldecaker

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In my opinion, no. My Mixture 965 includes cavendish, as does PS English Luxury, Old Dublin, etc. I wouldn't consider those aromatics at all. I think people automatically associate cav with aros due to a lot of the inexpensive drugstore blends being cavendish goopers.

 

deathmetal

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Does the mere inclusion of Cavendish an aromatic make?
I guess the simple answer would be: if it has a heavy top flavoring.
Aromatic generally means tobaccos with flavors other than tobacco which are predominant in the blend.
I make a category, semi-aromatics, for tobaccos like Royal Yacht, Orlik Golden Sliced, Prince Albert and so on which have complementary flavors that do not overthrow the taste of the leaf.
When people who hate aros are talking about aros, they are referring to any tobacco with a cute, quaint name and mixture of flavors which are so strong, and the humectant and dye so visible, that they could as well be applied to lawn clippings for the same effect.
Like junk food makes the original food item irrelevant, aros of this type make the tobacco irrelevant. They are the 1950s mania for a "mild" smoke taken to 1980s levels of industrial absurdity.

 

gloucesterman

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Cavendish is also a cut. There are a number of blends that contain unflavored Cavendish so its inclusion does not automatically make a blend an aromatic.

 

cosmicfolklore

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Latakia is technically a cavendish. A lot of Virginias are also cavendish. I think that many people misunderstand or confuse qualities of these catagories with the process. Cavendish does not have to have added flavor. Casing is the addition of a carbohydrate to the leaf, almost all have some, but you may or may not notice it, depending on your understanding of the difference. Topping is what makes an aromatic, even if it doesn't have a noticabale flavoring. Now, the qualities of each of these can make it so that it is hard to tell what catagory it fits into. A cavendish or casing can be stronger than a topped aro. Think Luxury Twist Flake (Virginia Cavendish)
And, an aromatic can be less flavored. Think a light rum topping.
Now, if you want to hate a whole category, such as all aros, you just may find one of your favorites in the list. Or, you could just hate things that have certain qualities, which would probably better fits the way we think in terms of smell and flavors.

 

frozenchurchwarden

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McClelland Deep Hollow and Frog Morton's Cellar are examples of aromatics with no Cavendish.

Ten Russians also contains Cavendish and is definitely not an aromatic, in that case it's more like putting spacers between your dynamite.

 

cosmicfolklore

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Actually, it is my understanding that Deep Hollow is a Virginia Cavendish like LTF and not an aromatic at all. However, like I said above it can have the qualities of being an aromatic but the flavor don't come from a topping, but the casing.

 

cosmicfolklore

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But, if you like Deep Hollow, give Grey Havens a try. It's an interesting non-aro that has a Virginia Cavendish as well and is a VaPer. It muddies up the whole category thing even further, ha ha.

 

aldecaker

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I must have missed the boat on Latakia "technically" being a cavendish. I didn't think Latakia was pressed before the smoke was applied, and I didn't know it was allowed to ferment. ?

 

cosmicfolklore

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You are right. When I went back and checked the source I was pulling from - what-is-cavendish I realized that I had misread the first sentence of the second paragraph. But, cavendishes don't necessarily have to be pressed. And, there is a spot on the cavendish cut. So, that it explains that.

 

frozenchurchwarden

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Crap I forgot what Deep Hollow looks like, I guess there is some Cavendish pressed Virginia in there. I'm pretty sure all the black leaf in FMC is Latakia though.

 

aldecaker

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Good link, Cosmic. I liked Russ' last line, "Who am I to argue against more than 90% of all pipe guys"? Well, more qualified than me, that's for damn sure!

 

cosmicfolklore

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Crap I forgot what Deep Hollow looks like, I guess there is some Cavendish pressed Virginia in there
It is entirely made up of a Virginia cavendish, like Luxury Twist Flake.

If you saw the twisted ropes that I made up in my post "Cosmic Crop" the rope I made is now a Cavendish, as I let it steam for a whole day.

 

chasingembers

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Black Frigate, and Pegasus both have unsweetened black cavendish, and neither are aromatic at all.

 

gloucesterman

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Cosmic, to answer your question;

"The word "Cavendish' when applied to pipe tobacco seems to intrigue the American pipe smoker. It is also a confusing word probably because Cavendish is a description of both a type of pipe tobacco and a manner in which tobacco is cut."
All About Tobacco, Milton M. Sherman, 1970

 

sjfine

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Russ's article explained a lot, but confused the issue for me even more.

 

mso489

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What Cosmic said. I occasionally mix equal parts of Virginia and burley with a healthy pinch of black Cavendish, which happens to have a slight rum flavor, but the taste when mixed is more English than aromatic, and I'd notice because I mostly smoke non-aros. If I had non-flavored Cavendish on hand, I use it.

 

cobguy

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The only kind I use for blending is an unflavored Cavendish made from Green River Burley.
This softens and mellows stronger blends and seems to slow down the burn rate as well.
A small amount goes a long way as too much results in a metallic taste similar to pencil lead for me.

 

deathmetal

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The question seems to be, then, "Is a merely stoved/sweetened/steamed Va or Burley necessarily an aromatic?"

 
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