As stated earlier, well "before" pix.
I don't follow Danish high grades, but this '61 Dunhill ODA looks OK to my eye.
Can You Guys Stand What This Famous eBay Seller Did?
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As stated earlier, well "before" pix.
I don't follow Danish high grades, but this '61 Dunhill ODA looks OK to my eye.
The chamber diameter of Lars pipes are almost always within 19-22mm, and particularly 20-21mm is his favourite choice. Maybe some pieces have wider bowls, but they are extremely rare. And I am pretty sure a bowl 25mm wide won't appear on a straight billiard.
BTW, there are a lot of high grade estates in the market which actually had been over reamed. For instance, Jess pipes. Let's talk about the new.
BTW, there are a lot of high grade estates in the market which actually had been over reamed. For instance, Jess pipes. Let's talk about the new.
Looking at the inner rims on those pipes, I don't think a lot of extra material was removed. There are some evidence of knife marks. That's always bad, but not unusual. It's possible that the pipes were heavily smoked and badly used. Once the cake was removed and the chamber wall was evened up, that's the way things turned out. Whether the original dimensions were radically altered is hard to say. But I suspect the seller did the best he could with what he had. My experience, like others, is that he tends not to overdo it.
Are the chambers even coated? #3 looks like it might be. It's really thin if it is. But the others just look like a nice even sanding. Which is fine.
I have no expertise to offer on what the chamber width should be on that brand of pipe.
The information is all there for a buyer to make an informed decision. I'm not seeing a problem.
Are the chambers even coated? #3 looks like it might be. It's really thin if it is. But the others just look like a nice even sanding. Which is fine.
I have no expertise to offer on what the chamber width should be on that brand of pipe.
The information is all there for a buyer to make an informed decision. I'm not seeing a problem.
C'mon Clickclik, anytime someone re carbonizes a bowl it raises red flags. I dont know enough re bowl diameter and the maker to say any more. And if someone is going to spend that kind of money on a pipe they sure need to know what they are looking at.
I have looked at every pipe you listed billkay. I see nothing that resembles over reaming or any other type of thinning the inside of the pipe. I think you are making claims that the inside bowl widths are too large and that Rob somehow changed what the original measurements were? The pipes you linked to are pipes that the original owners probably barely smoked so any restoration was I am sure very minor.
The inside bowl widths of these pipes seem to be in the range I expect to see on any high line Danish pipe. The sizes of the pipes are in line with what I consider to be group 6 to ODA. I don't understand where the group 4 size to ODA comparison is coming from. All of the pipes listed are in the group 6 to ODA size range and I don't see where a group 4 is mentioned.
I am having trouble understanding what you are trying to say. Are you claiming that rob has manipulated these pipes to be something they are not? Are you saying he has over reamed the pipes making the inside bowl width too large? Are you claiming that he has over refurbished these pipes so that the value is severely affected?
I am not trying to give you a hard time, just trying to understand what your original post means. Yes I am slow on the up take so please bare with me.
The inside bowl widths of these pipes seem to be in the range I expect to see on any high line Danish pipe. The sizes of the pipes are in line with what I consider to be group 6 to ODA. I don't understand where the group 4 size to ODA comparison is coming from. All of the pipes listed are in the group 6 to ODA size range and I don't see where a group 4 is mentioned.
I am having trouble understanding what you are trying to say. Are you claiming that rob has manipulated these pipes to be something they are not? Are you saying he has over reamed the pipes making the inside bowl width too large? Are you claiming that he has over refurbished these pipes so that the value is severely affected?
I am not trying to give you a hard time, just trying to understand what your original post means. Yes I am slow on the up take so please bare with me.
Another point to consider is that reaming a charred bowl "back to wood" is not the standard/accepted way to deal with that type of damage.
The right way is to fill the charred areas (which are always lower than the surrounding wood) with a heat-resistant substance. Think patching holes in a road with asphalt.
Done correctly the pipe is functionally back to new without affecting the rim width / chamber diameter.
So... sanding is difficult to do well, time consuming, and modifies a pipes original dimensions; while "thermal patching" (for lack of a better term) is easy to do, only takes a few minutes, and does not change a pipe's dimensions.
Rob and others like him know these things.
In short---it is possible that previously "sanded out" pipes find their way to high end re-sellers from time to time, but I strongly doubt they do it themselves. Doing so without mentioning it is not only unnecessary, but risky in business terms.
That said, there are always exceptions which prove rules... Within the past year on this board was the The Infamous Case of the Gold Banded Barling---a high value pipe offered by a high profile re-seller who claimed it was in "original near-pristine condition" which was proved irrefutably to be false with date-stamped pre-restoration photos, and which the seller refused to acknowledge even after being confronted directly about it---so, sadly, anything is possible.
The right way is to fill the charred areas (which are always lower than the surrounding wood) with a heat-resistant substance. Think patching holes in a road with asphalt.
Done correctly the pipe is functionally back to new without affecting the rim width / chamber diameter.
So... sanding is difficult to do well, time consuming, and modifies a pipes original dimensions; while "thermal patching" (for lack of a better term) is easy to do, only takes a few minutes, and does not change a pipe's dimensions.
Rob and others like him know these things.
In short---it is possible that previously "sanded out" pipes find their way to high end re-sellers from time to time, but I strongly doubt they do it themselves. Doing so without mentioning it is not only unnecessary, but risky in business terms.
That said, there are always exceptions which prove rules... Within the past year on this board was the The Infamous Case of the Gold Banded Barling---a high value pipe offered by a high profile re-seller who claimed it was in "original near-pristine condition" which was proved irrefutably to be false with date-stamped pre-restoration photos, and which the seller refused to acknowledge even after being confronted directly about it---so, sadly, anything is possible.
George, I am sure rob would never mess with a bowl and not disclose it, his reputation is something he protects fiercely. Can you post a link for that Barling thread you mentioned, sounds like some fun reading.
The score, as I see it, is coopersark wins with a TKO.
And, for those who care, with a simple change of lighting, camera angle, or lens change I take 50 pounds off a model, change the contours of a pipe, make people taller, and hide all sorts of defects on products and people. The camera does lie! That is one of the beautiful aspects of the instrument.
And, for those who care, with a simple change of lighting, camera angle, or lens change I take 50 pounds off a model, change the contours of a pipe, make people taller, and hide all sorts of defects on products and people. The camera does lie! That is one of the beautiful aspects of the instrument.
billkay, thanks for the link. Very interesting reading. Having Jesse as my personal Barling encyclopedia has made my Barling purchases stress free. I don't have to know squat about them, I just send Jesse the link and he tells me whether to buy or not to buy. If I find out later the pipe is not perfect, I send it to Jesse and he pays me double for inconveniencing me.
There was never a contest. The repeated assertions in the original post---never mind the thread title itself--were tabloid-worded bullshit.
Either the OP doesn't know nearly as much as he thinks he does about pipes, or simply enjoys starting conversational brushfires with unsupported accusations.
Never have and never will buy from eBay.
What's an ODA sized pipe? I'm 31 hrs old and have a hard time deciphering acronyms.
What's an ODA sized pipe? I'm 31 hrs old and have a hard time deciphering acronyms.
A good question. OD in Dunhill means "Own Design". I have no clue what the "A" stands for, but as bill says, they are usually oversized pipes.
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