Bulldog vs Rhodesian

[irishearl]

The John Bull designations were most commonly associated with early era 999's, like this Shamrock
Mark Irwin has a nice article on them here:

114. A Visual History of Peterson’s Shape 999

I always find myself thinking of the classic 999 John Bull (pictured above) as typical of Kapp & Peterson’s house style with its short, beefy shank, chubby tapered mouthpiece and P-Lip. Unlike…

petersonpipenotes.org

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Yeah, John Bulls were chubbier than current 999's. In that article, he doesn't mention the John Bull showed up in the Dublin and London line which is what I have.

 

[burleybreath]

I know 'em when I see 'em, the diamond shank being the definitive characteristic. I don't like tall or squat bulldogs, the proportions being off, to my eye. My ugliest pipe is a tall Jean Lecroix bulldog. I would have tossed it years ago, except for one thing: it's my best smoker.

 

[Sig]

Ad, according to Bill Burney, whoever that is, ALL of them are Bulldogs.
I guess he designs shape charts.

 

[lukasstrifeson]

I'm currently trying to get my pipes down to a single 7-day rotation, but a grail I'm working towards is a Balleby bulldog. I love the unique "upside down" proportions and he often does a thicker, wide diamond shank.

Some examples:

 

[Sobrbiker]

Bulldog: L1A1
Rhodesian: FN FAL

 

[fireground_piper]

I'm currently trying to get my pipes down to a single 7-day rotation, but a grail I'm working towards is a Balleby bulldog. I love the unique "upside down" proportions and he often does a thicker, wide diamond shank.

Some examples:

I always consider those brandys!

 

[lukasstrifeson]

I always consider those brandys!

Damn, you might be right. No wonder I'm so attracted to them, love the slight taper on a Brandy and that's exactly what this is.

 

[fireground_piper]

Damn, you might be right. No wonder I'm so attracted to them, love the slight taper on a Brandy and that's exactly what this is.

They are really nice shapes. I have always liked his in those styles.

 

[Dshift]

I prefer the way a square shank creates a line that compliments the line from the geometry of the bowl. Purely visual, I would probably argue a Rhodesian feels better in the hand.

You absolutely nailed it - one looks better, the other feels better. Bit are equal in my opinion.

 

[Dshift]

Sorry about the unrelated question but talking of bulldogs reminded me to ask If you remember which member had a bend silver bulldog Dunhill. I remember seeing it on a post but for the life of me I can’t find it anymore…

 

[Questionable Source]

Which member had a bend silver bulldog Dunhill?

Like this, or is this a Rhodesian?

 

[telescopes]

Like this, or is this a Rhodesian?

Bulldog.

 

[Dshift]

Like this, or is this a Rhodesian?

That’s a bulldog but I meant the pipe with the bulldog silver wind cap

 

[OzPiper]

That’s a bulldog but I meant the pipe with the bulldog silver wind cap

I have only seen a Dunhill with a bulldog wind cap

 

[Dshift]

I have only seen a Dunhill with a bulldog wind cap

Yes that’s the one I am looking for

 

[paulfg]

I was thinking more of bowls that aren’t shaped as bulldogs but have a diamond shank.

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you could never class that as a bulldog,its a bent billiard

 

[Dshift]

you could never class that as a bulldog,its a bent billiard

I know I know that’s why I said it was an unrelated question

 

[paulfg]

That is in fact a Belge. I was looking at Comoy’s charts too. There’s a thing called a bullcap made just to muddy the waters apparently.

isnt a bullcap a squat bulldog shape

 

[paulfg]

The John Bull designations were most commonly associated with early era 999's, like this Shamrock
Mark Irwin has a nice article on them here:

114. A Visual History of Peterson’s Shape 999

I always find myself thinking of the classic 999 John Bull (pictured above) as typical of Kapp & Peterson’s house style with its short, beefy shank, chubby tapered mouthpiece and P-Lip. Unlike…

petersonpipenotes.org

View attachment 407225

yes,fat shank versions

 

[Epip Oc'Cabot]

Could never find love for either. They just look too machined for me.

Interesting phrase….. “too machined”…. I do think it is an apt term. For me…. The “machined” precision is what gives the pipe (any type of machined pipe) a “traditional” look…. which I tend to prefer over freehands.