Bulldog vs Rhodesian
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Have a squire and a Hudson. Would put the squire shape slightly ahead of the Hudson, though my particular squire has a stuck stem that nothing I do budges it and I've tried all suggestions.Yeah man !
I refuse to be gender fluid
Peterson, in my opinion, have some of THE best iterations of the genre.
And that X155 and their Sherlock Holmes Hudson are my favourites in their Bulldog lineup
I do have both SH Squire and Hudson
Along with the above mentioned X155 and a Short 80s
I did have an Irish Harp 80s but sold that when I got a Short 80s, which is more to my liking (fishtail lip and more compact form)
Top: Short 03
Bottom: Short 80s
I dunno guys, I was just looking at a Dunhill shape chart on pipedia and the shape designation is based on the bowl. The taller flared beaded bowl is a bulldog. The flatter version is a Rhodesian. I don't know who started the whole shank thing, but based on the shape charts from the popular pipe makers of the 20th century, it's wrong.
Dunhill also designate bents as Rhodesians
Makers often use their own names
eg Eltang calls this a Cutty
It is not footed. In my book it’s a Belge
Can’t let ignorant pipemakers confuse us all
That is in fact a Belge. I was looking at Comoy’s charts too. There’s a thing called a bullcap made just to muddy the waters apparently.Dunhill also designate bents as Rhodesians
Makers often use their own names
eg Eltang calls this a Cutty
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It is not footed. In my book it’s a Belge
Can’t let ignorant pipemakers confuse us all
Yep, so far the only bulldog shape I ever saw that I liked, and one of the few Peterson shapes I like too.
That said, I'm not in love with the shape in general. Modestly bent apples are where it's at. I only got the one I did because I wanted a Pete, and a spigot, and that one was both in one. Helps it's an acrylic stem and fishtail. Occasionally there's a Pete shape that I think isn't too bad, bjt then it's only available in P-lip, and I'm never in love with any of those shapes enough to get one and have a custom fishtail made for it.
I don't care for either shape personally.
I only have one of each and rarely smoke them.
I just packed some into a box. They are going to a new home.
And sn Amphora im going to clean up, then give away.
I only have one of each and rarely smoke them.
I just packed some into a box. They are going to a new home.
And sn Amphora im going to clean up, then give away.
To further confuse, Dunill listed their diamond shank pipes as Rhodesians. So, who is wrong??
By my definition, which doesn't count, a Rhodesian has a round shank and a Bulldog a diamond. Either may or may not have bead lines.
Rhodesian
Bulldog
It may be a case of location as I've seen both bulldog and rhodesian with round or diamond shanks. Much like a Hungarian is also listed as an Oom Paul. Same with cutties and belges both having or both not having heel spurs.
Pipemakers muddying the water just to confuse the punters
I'm with Al (@ssjones)
Diamond shank = Bulldog
Round shank = Rhodesian
Beadline or none - irrelevant
Cutty = foot/spur
Belge = no foot/spur
That’s how I see them as well.
Unfortunately, I’m in the same boat as @Sig, they’re not really my jam but I’ve wound up with more than a few (all bulldogs) and will be keeping a couple and rehoming the rest one of these days.
I am falling in love with this Peterson 999 bent Rhodesian. Am I correct that these have also been called John Bulls?
Potato, potato. As many pipe makers (and, apparently members here) say..."I reject your reality and substitute my own."
Differences in pronunciation is understandable
But not using the correct name is downright obsfucation and not to be countenanced
The John Bull designations were most commonly associated with early era 999's, like this Shamrock
Mark Irwin has a nice article on them here:
114. A Visual History of Peterson’s Shape 999
I always find myself thinking of the classic 999 John Bull (pictured above) as typical of Kapp & Peterson’s house style with its short, beefy shank, chubby tapered mouthpiece and P-Lip. Unlike…
petersonpipenotes.org
Been that way since pipes were invented, all about marketing, They're all pipe shaped. Not sure when Al started but in '91 same shaped pipes were still called different names by different brands and carvers.
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