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cosmicfolklore

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Interesting, then if the number has but a very little correlation to anything about the finished pipe, except that maybe the worker at the machine was supposed to use as much of the ebauchon as possible, why even use the group number in marketing? And, how on earth would someone apply the Dunnie Group number to a pipe not made by Dunnie? Calling a pipe made by Stanwell a group 4, seems kind of pointless... especially if someone has no idea what the size of the briar was before it was made.

 
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jvnshr

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Replace the words "pipe" and "bowl" with "vagina" and enjoy the thread. For example:
I often read mention of vaginas being a 'group 4' size vagina or having a 'group 2' size vagina but none of this makes any sense to me as I have no reference guide to go by.
I understand it is/was specifically a Dunhill sizing mechanism but obviously it can apply to any vagina.
So how do these group sizes equate in actual measurements and how low/high does the 'scale' go?

 
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northernneil

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And, how on earth would someone apply the Dunnie Group number to a pipe not made by Dunnie? Calling a pipe made by Stanwell a group 4, seems kind of pointless... especially if someone has no idea what the size of the briar was before it was made.
When has not knowing ever stopped anyone from forming an opinion?
Even if my above theory is wrong, there is still no clear definition for group sizes, yet people still use them to discuss pipe dimensions. I do not have the answer to why this happens. Human nature I guess.
Hell, no one can even agree on what makes an aromatic, but that will not stop an individual from classifying a tobacco as an aromatic if it fits their definitions. Same thing with group sizes.

 

pitchfork

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Interesting, then if the number has but a very little correlation to anything about the finished pipe...
OMG, it does correlate, just not perfectly. What is this, the Rain Man thread? "Yep, those bulldogs are definitely uneven. Definitely not Group 4. Group 4 has dimensions of .... I get my boxer shorts at K-Mart. In Cincinnati."

 
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cosmicfolklore

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Ha, how did you know where I buy my boxers? my frustration comes from buying pipes labelled group 4 and having them range from .75" diameters and 1" depth, to 2" depth, to .80" by 1.2" etc, etc... without knowing the actual sizes, the group numbers rarely give me any insights into what the size of the pipe is. Yeh yeh yeh, I am kind of Rainman-ish OCD when it comes to sizes. After years of smoking, I know that I want my Virginia and VaPer pipes to come in smaller diameters of .70-.75" wide, and my blended mixes to be smoked in .80+. So, it kind of matters to me. Most places do give actual pipe sizes, (metric-only people sort of bother me too, but just slightly, having to use a converter) and if someone posts group sizes for non-Dunhills, it doesn't exactly ruin my day. I just move on to better vendors. But, I thought it worth mentioning, because maybe some have the same perspective that I do. So, just sharing my thoughts.
And, I become very Rainman-ish when my wife asks me about how much pipes costs... "'bout a dollar, yep, yep, 'bout a dollar." :puffy:

 
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pitchfork

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LOL
It's funny, I need to know chamber diameter in inches, but weight I understand better in grams. I was also konked on the head once.

 

mawnansmiff

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I was schooled using the imperial measurements for all things (inches, miles, ounces, gallons etc) but now, though I still use miles and gallons I tend towards the metric system for linear measurements and I put that down to working with wood for many years where the metric system prevails.
With us now departing the 'yoke' of Europe we may see a return to what our forefathers once had.
Regards,
Jay.

 

pitchfork

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With us now departing the 'yoke' of Europe we may see a return to what our forefathers once had.
Could be. I remember a while back some English butchers getting fined for not switching to metric. When I'm in Ireland I always have to convert back to pounds and ounces for meat.

 

mso489

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Do you prefer a wide chamber that is shallow, or a narrow chamber that's deep, or wide and deep, or shallow and narrow? Depends what you're smoking, how long you have, and what you fancy. The Group numbers aren't too informative on this.

 
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