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burleyboy

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How about Amphoras or St Brunos by Mc Baren Company?

I‘ve yet to try St Bruno, but I guess most of the puch tobaccos have PG in them.

One gram of Amohora Full aroma has 28.7mg of PROPYLENGLYKOL and 4mg of GLYCEROL. This is my source:


Unfortunately there is no data for the other Amphoras.
 
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Well, this is dated and incomplete, but at least I didn't make a wild-assed guess like some people here.

Percentage (by weight) of polypropylene glycol:

7 Seas Gold - 2.0%
Amphora Full Aroma - 2.9%
Ashton Artisan's Blend - 2.6%
Borkum Riff Original - 1%
Capstan Original Navy Cut - 2.6%
Captain Black Regular - 7.3%
Dan Tobacco Bill Bailey's Balkan Blend - 3.0%
Dunhill Deluxe Navy Rolls - 3.3%
Dunhill Early Morning Pipe - 2.2%
Dunhill Flake - 3.1%
Dunhill Nightcap - 2.2%
Peterson Connoisseur's Choice - 3.6%
Peterson Sunset Breeze - 3.1%
Rattray Bagpiper's Dream - 2.5%
Rattray Marlin Flake -3.5%

Tabakzusatzstoffe - https://service.ble.de/tabakerzeugnisse/index2.php?site_key=153
Thanks. This information, or the same sort of info from similar sources,has been linked here in the past, is usually ignored in these periodically appearing threads in favor of wild eyed guesses and blender half truths.
 
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aquadoc

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Well, this is dated and incomplete, but at least I didn't make a wild-assed guess like some people here.

Percentage (by weight) of polypropylene glycol:

7 Seas Gold - 2.0%
Amphora Full Aroma - 2.9%
Ashton Artisan's Blend - 2.6%
Borkum Riff Original - 1%
Capstan Original Navy Cut - 2.6%
Captain Black Regular - 7.3%
Dan Tobacco Bill Bailey's Balkan Blend - 3.0%
Dunhill Deluxe Navy Rolls - 3.3%
Dunhill Early Morning Pipe - 2.2%
Dunhill Flake - 3.1%
Dunhill Nightcap - 2.2%
Peterson Connoisseur's Choice - 3.6%
Peterson Sunset Breeze - 3.1%
Rattray Bagpiper's Dream - 2.5%
Rattray Marlin Flake -3.5%

Tabakzusatzstoffe - https://service.ble.de/tabakerzeugnisse/index2.php?site_key=153
Wow, Marlin Flake is 3.5% and second only to Petes CC and Captn Black Regular. That is surprising. And, BTW, all of mine are guesses but not rated on percentage...just a made up scale.
 
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Worknman

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The only manufacturer I've really noticed it plainly obvious on is Sutliff. I haven't tried Country Squire. I feel like C&Ds non aro blends are the most un-aldulterated on the market.
 

boston

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Ernie gets a lot of his raw ingredients from Sutliff. Would he say that none of those have been treated with PG?

PG, glycerin, etc. are ubiquitous in pipe tobacco. Yet another reason to smoke dry tobacco.
I do not know. Easy enough to call Ernie Q and ask. I enjoy his rhythm and blues quite a bit, and if it's left out it turns dry as a bone very quickly.
 
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anotherbob

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Well, this is dated and incomplete, but at least I didn't make a wild-assed guess like some people here.

Percentage (by weight) of polypropylene glycol:

7 Seas Gold - 2.0%
Amphora Full Aroma - 2.9%
Ashton Artisan's Blend - 2.6%
Borkum Riff Original - 1%
Capstan Original Navy Cut - 2.6%
Captain Black Regular - 7.3%
Dan Tobacco Bill Bailey's Balkan Blend - 3.0%
Dunhill Deluxe Navy Rolls - 3.3%
Dunhill Early Morning Pipe - 2.2%
Dunhill Flake - 3.1%
Dunhill Nightcap - 2.2%
Peterson Connoisseur's Choice - 3.6%
Peterson Sunset Breeze - 3.1%
Rattray Bagpiper's Dream - 2.5%
Rattray Marlin Flake -3.5%

Tabakzusatzstoffe - https://service.ble.de/tabakerzeugnisse/index2.php?site_key=153
So this might be threshold for pg. Or in other words somewhere between 3.5 and 7.3 is the point where pg ruins a tobacco. Also the 3.5 and up are all a tad bitey and need a touch more dry time.
 
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kola

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From Yaddys post, just wow -- the PG percentage is all over the place. Interesting. Some OTC's are very low and yet other OTC's high. And some "high-end" blends seem a tad high. I wonder how much it varies batch-to-batch and specifically when it's applied in the curing/blending process.

PG taste/smell ? If you've ever owned a car or truck that had a badly leaking heater core and ran the blower motor you'd know the smell and taste of a glycol substance. I had a 66 El Camino with a bad heater core during winter and was too lazy to change it --until I couldn't stand it anymore. It was so bad that the antifreeze left a slimy resin-film on my windshield (when I had it in defrost mode) Not to mention the oily funky-ass taste (and smell) that I was exposed.
 

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The only tobacco I have smoked with a lot of PG- or other humectant- is Lane 1-Q. It would seem way more than twice as much as Dunhill Flake, said to have ca. 3%.

When is that data dated?
 
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I do not know. Easy enough to call Ernie Q and ask. I enjoy his rhythm and blues quite a bit, and if it's left out it turns dry as a bone very quickly.
No need. This horse was beat to death years ago when companies were forced to disclose their ingredients. Pipe tobacco is a factory processed product. Like frozen food.
 

aquadoc

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Thanks. This information, or the same sort of info from similar sources,has been linked here in the past, is usually ignored in these periodically appearing threads in favor of wild eyed guesses and blender half truths.
I searched and did not see a post where folks ranked the blends. The original thought of this post was to get opinions...not what folks found in esoteric documents on the web. Many of which are totally outdated. In any case, I wanted to see what perceptions are. For instance, I would rank my Rattray blends as having no PG...obviously I am wrong but it is interesting to see what we think as individuals and what most likely reflects our opinions on how PG impacts a blend...or "wetness" ... or not.
 
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aquadoc

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No need. This horse was beat to death years ago when companies were forced to disclose their ingredients. Pipe tobacco is a factory processed product. Like frozen food.
And do you not think any of this has changed? And wasn't it only EU blends that were forced to disclose?

We read daily of a blend today that no longer resembles an original or older version. It can only be attributed to changes in tobacco sourcing and changes in "formulation"....so to speak.
 
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BROBS

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it could also be that the ones we think taste like "PG" is actually the topping we are tasting?
like in 1Q.. maybe the "chemical" isn't the humectant but actually the artificial flavoring of some kind?

I think @rushx9 is on to something with his post.
 
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And do you not think any of this has changed? And wasn't it only EU blends that were forced to disclose?
The only change that I can see is that there are fewer conglomerates in control of tobacco sourcing and primary processing. There was a major document dump that included the US companies around the time of the Master Settlement Agreement. One of the California University libraries has kept that data public in somewhat searchable form for those skilled enough to do the work, which I understand takes a lot of effort. The late Rusty at Christian Pipe Smokers posted a lot of this information, but it has largely disappeared. Someone who goes by the handle Philofumo on other forums has also posted a number of these old blend recipes. He was banned here (not sure what handle he used) some years ago.
 
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