BBB HM Queen Victoria carved pipe

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orlandofurioso

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Dear friends,
As it happened I'm the very lucky winner of this BBB pipe :
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Antik-B-B-B-Queen-Victoria-fein-geschnitzt-Estate-Pipe-/233143841520?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=orc7I10cVGYAtQAtQpniCov6DDQ%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc
The pictures did not do it justice : it looks much better in real life and the carving is outstanding.

I was given to understand that back in those days there were 3D carving machines, the pipes were then finished by master carvers .
http://pipecluboflondon.com/members-pipes/figural/hm-queen-victoria/
Can you please help to determine its age ?

 

orlandofurioso

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Thank you CW !

The chamber is in fine condition, the tenon screwed in the stummel and then the stem screws on, has an orific bit.

The seller suggested a 1887 Golden Jubilee pipe.I suppose it is not that old .

 

sablebrush52

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It's certainly 19th century and French carved. It could be as early as 1887. It looks unsmoked. If it is, I recommend caution if you're thinking of smoking it, as these really old virgins can split on the first smoke. Get a coating on the chamber walls first then super slow and cool smoking for the first dozen of so bowls to build up the cake. After that it will probably be fine.

 

orlandofurioso

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Jesse,
Thank you for chiming in :)
This is good news. Unfortunately I'm totally inapt when it comes to posting pictures, someday I will figure it all out.
It is smoked but to the touch the briar feels very dry . It certainly will be given a bowl coating if so.

Could it be that the tenon is turned on the shank, if you catch my drift ?

The stem does not overturn, the fit is perfect.

Quite a big bowl, actually. Not a fill to be found.

The Barling Quaint arrived today, I will post soon !

 

jpmcwjr

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Here's the Victorian:


 

sablebrush52

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The normal joinery for that period was to use a bone screw connector, seated to the stem, to attach the stem to the shank. It's possible that the connector has become attached to the shank, but I'd need to see pictures to make a guess.

 

jguss

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Neat pipe! Not sure there's enough info to ascertain its age though. Assuming it is linked to a Jubilee (and there's not much basis for that really, it's just seller's guess) it's as likely to be Victoria's 1897 Diamond Jubilee as the Golden. Or for that matter a commemoration of her death in early 1901.

 

dmcmtk

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My thinking would be the Diamond Jubilee (1896) celebrated in 1897. Follow me here, what would be the best known public depiction of the queen during the period? The coinage. Note the change on the penny to the "veiled head" in 1895.
https://www.allcoinvalues.com/united-kingdom/queen-victoria-era-uk-penny-values.html
:)

 

dmcmtk

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Of course, in official imagery, she was wearing a veil for both the Golden Jubilee and the Diamond Jubilee...




 

jguss

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Victoria was actually pretty famous for her "veiled head", at least according to John Brown.

 

mso489

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We've been watching the PBS Masterpiece series on Victoria. Several earlier films filled in details about her later life. She and Albert had (I think it was) nine children, and as a widow, she was both burdened by long-term grief, but also later, close to at least two different male attendants, where the relationship was not categorically known -- an emissary from India who turned out to be married with children, and later a Scot, Mr. Brown, who was somewhat her protector, whatever else he might have been to her. Her name was associated with prudishness, but that wasn't part of her personal life, for sure. She was the longest reigning English monarch until the current Elizabeth II. Victoria was small, although somewhat stout in later life, under five feet I believe. Like Elizabeth I, she attained the thrown at a young age but soon asserted herself ably.

 

redglow

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That's a great Pipe.... mso I too enjoy watching the Masterpiece series whilst smoking some fine English tobacco.

 

orlandofurioso

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This is the amazing St. Claude Dalloz or Lamberthod 3D pantograph !

Reminds me of a weavers loom :)

Developed by the St. Claude pipe craftsman, Joseph Honore Dalloz in 1863 (d. 1905). This machine was used by his nephew, M. Dessertine up until 1945.

 
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