Are Images Downsized when Uploaded?

[PipeIT]

Hi,

I’ve been noticing when I upload photos taken from my iPad they turn out blurry, and appear to of been downsized.

I know downsizing is commonly used online, to help manage storage space. So if it’s correct the forum does downsize images, is there a recommended resolution to use so they aren’t downsized, to maintain the best image quality?

Thanks

 

[HeavyLeadBelly]

Are you saying you want to see the awful chatter on my stems????

 

[PipeIT]

Are you saying you want to see the awful chatter on my stems????

Actually it’s not been as bad for my pipe pics.

But if you look through the WAYs for cigars, all my posts showing the sticks sitting on the tupperdor, the sticks and bands always end up slightly blurred, but the original pics on my ipad are higher definition, really sharp/clear.

I just like to upload nice looking pics, it‘s sort of the point…

 

[jpmcwjr]

Hi,

I’ve been noticing when I upload photos taken from my iPad they turn out blurry, and appear to of been downsized.

I know downsizing is commonly used online, to help manage storage space. So if it’s correct the forum does downsize images, is there a recommended resolution to use so they aren’t downsized, to maintain the best image quality?

Thanks

What year iPad? Regardless, not very high on sharp pixels. You might be able to use the Sharpen function, and increase contrast somewhat. Yes, the software here downsizes, and I doubt your matching the pixel count before upload will help.

Have you a more recent device you could use?

 

[woodsroad]

It looks like PM resizes to 1024p on the long side. FaceBook resizes to 2048p.
The problem isn't the resizing as much as the resolution downgrade to 72 dpi, resampling, and color space change to sRGB. Your iPad should be plenty fine to produce a sharp enough photo, but it would help if you downsize/ resample/set the color space yourself before uploading.

 

[PipeIT]

The images are fine on the ipad…

So the forum does downsize to 1024x768?

Here’s a pic I posted today in Cigar Ways.

What Cigar are You Smoking? 2024 :: Cigar Discussion

Sometimes, with more budget friendly options, a year in the humi can work wonders. I used to smoke a lot of these entry- level Ashtons that come in little cardboard packs. "Half Corona" and "Senioritas." Pretty rough fresh, but put 'em back for a year and they became pretty good I can even...

pipesmagazine.com

Here’s the same pic uploaded online, where you can see it full resolution and higher definition. Depending on your device it might not fully display, so tap/click it.

IMG 2462

Image IMG 2462 hosted in Freeimage.host

freeimage.host

Look at them side by side and you’ll see the difference.

Thanks

 

[PLANofMAN]

The images are fine on the ipad…

So the forum does downsize to 1024x768?

Here’s a pic I posted today in Cigar Ways.

What Cigar are You Smoking? 2024 :: Cigar Discussion

Sometimes, with more budget friendly options, a year in the humi can work wonders. I used to smoke a lot of these entry- level Ashtons that come in little cardboard packs. "Half Corona" and "Senioritas." Pretty rough fresh, but put 'em back for a year and they became pretty good I can even...

pipesmagazine.com

Here’s the same pic uploaded online, where you can see it full resolution and higher definition. Depending on your device it might not fully display, so tap/click it.

IMG 2462

Image IMG 2462 hosted in Freeimage.host

freeimage.host

Look at them side by side and you’ll see the difference.

Thanks

I looked at both pictures. Thank you. I have now confirmed I have terrible eyesight.

The difference isn't noticeable until I zoom in on the labels.

 

[georged]

For you guys who use stand-alone cameras, this site works really well:

Postimages — free image hosting / image upload

Provides free image upload and hosting integration for forums. Free picture hosting and photo sharing for websites and blogs.

postimages.org

 

[woodsroad]

The images are fine on the ipad…

So the forum does downsize to 1024x768?

No, it downsizes to 1024p on the long side.

Panorama? 1024x512
Square? 1024x1024
35mm? 1024x683

 

[TheIronMonkey]

I much prefer when members use the “Insert image” feature now built into the forum. There are too many older posts with dead links to photo service sites that no longer work or no longer host the images. It’s also nicer when the images appear inline within the post as opposed to an attachment that requires clicking on the thumbnail in order to see the picture. There are some members whose images of pipes would get more views if they figured out how to have the image display inline—it can be a simple as drag and drop.

 

[jpmcwjr]

Inserting image is the way to go.

As to the difference that is bothering the OP, it become less when the PM image is enlarged by clicking on it. It's also a more nuanced photo than the average, with reflections, large number of objects and semi-transparent lid of the box.

PipeIT: Please post links to two of the cigar photos you are unhappy with.

 

[Sobrbiker]

I edit to square, then downsize images to ≈1mb when uploading, seems to work out well.

 

[woodsroad]

I edit to square, then downsize images to ≈1mb when uploading, seems to work out well.

File size doesn’t matter, it’s the pixel dimensions. Limit the long side to 1024p and it probably won’t get resized/resampled.

 

[PipeIT]

Resolution is width x height, so saying 1024p would imply it is written 1024x768.

I said 768 for the height, because this is a standard computer resolution.

Display resolution - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Guys my background is IT and Computer Tech, I’m not asking as if I don’t understand any of this, I was only posting to ask if the forum downsizes the images which is common online to save storage space, and bandwidth.

I thought everyone already knew I was a computer nerd. LOL

@jpmcwjr I did post links before, one here at the Cigar Ways, that shows a slight blur, and one online that has not been altered, in higher definition.

So if the forum does downsize, I’ll just have to re edit them to keep them higher HD. I’m more a Linux geek using GIMP, I don’t do anything on the iPad, I’ll have to dig around and check out editors.

Thanks

PS. I’m a Slacker aka Slackware Geek and a I’m an extreme pc game nerd. I build my own gaming computers. Dual boot Win10 & Slackware.

The Slackware Linux Project

Phear the Penguin! LOL

 

[woodsroad]

Resolution is width x height, so saying 1024p would imply it is written 1024x768.

I said 768 for the height, because this is a standard computer resolution.

Display resolution - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Guys my background is IT and Computer Tech, I’m not asking as if I don’t understand any of this, I was only posting to ask if the forum downsizes the images which is common online to save storage space, and bandwidth.

I thought everyone already knew I was a computer nerd. LOL

@jpmcwjr I did post links before, one here at the Cigar Ways, that shows a slight blur, and one online that has not been altered, in higher definition.

So if the forum does downsize, I’ll just have to re edit them to keep them higher HD. I’m more a Linux geek using GIMP, I don’t do anything on the iPad, I’ll have to dig around and check out editors.

Thanks

1024 is the pixel width on the long side.
The long side is what the resizing script looks at. The short side is whatever it is to maintain the same ratio of H:W. Not necessarily 768. Could be 12, could be 1023.

 

[PipeIT]

1024 is the pixel width on the long side.
The long side is what the resizing script looks at. The short side is whatever it is to maintain the same ratio of H:W. Not necessarily 768. Could be 12, could be 1023.

I don’t know if you have a background in computer tech and IT, so I have been explaining this as a professional not personal opinions.

PCs came first, before we had mobile tech, cellphone, tablets etc., therefore resolutions are still described in Computer Resolution sizes.

Also when you build a website, by hand, or a backend like a CMS Content Management System, like Joomla, you are building a site around PC resolutions and computer browsers first, that is the proper way, and the industry standards. Then you make it compatible with other OS operating systems/platforms and their browsers and resolutions.

For online, we base these things around W3C, The World Wide Web Consortium.

W3C

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) develops standards and guidelines to help everyone build a web based on the principles of accessibility, internationalization, privacy and security.

www.w3.org

Now, with all the latest tech, we do have other resolutions, and we don’t use in IT as saying Long, we use Width first Height second.

1024 is not called the Long side that is the resolution width. If we are referring to 1024x768.

I forgot to mention before, there is 1280x1024, but this resolution came after 1024x768. So in the industry standards, if someone only said 1024, it would commonly imply first as talking about 1024x768, otherwise you’d clarify it.

And my mistake too, you did originally mention 1024p, so that would actually be 1280x1024. And that 1024 would be the Height Resolution.

So when you say could be 12, or 1023, if that is in reference to other resolution sizes, again, when you are online, as we are in Cyberspace everything is PC first, we speak of those resolutions first.

And in Standard PC Resolutions there is no 12 or 1023. Please look back if interested at the Wiki link I posted for resolutions.

As end-users, we can make our images any resolution size we want. So I am not sure if that is what you meant when referring to 12 or 1023. I was only asking what size the forum downsizes too, which should be a Standard Resolution. I wasn’t asking about my images resolutions. Our image resolutions are only important if a site downsizes them.

If a forum downsizes as I’ve asked, and if they are doing things by Standards, which they should, then you downsize at PC Resolutions.

640x480
800x600
1024x768
1280x720
1366x768
1920x1080

And so on….

It‘s always PC first…

Thanks

 

[PipeIT]

Here’s some info on these resolutions from companies.

What Is Monitor Resolution? Resolutions and Aspect Ratios Explained - ViewSonic Library

Learn about monitor resolution and aspect ratio, and how they impact your display's clarity and performance.

www.viewsonic.com

https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/tech-takes/what-are-typical-monitor-sizes

https://testsigma.com/blog/common-screen-resolutions/

This is interesting stuff, Screen Resolution World Wide Stats Usage.

Desktop Screen Resolution Stats Worldwide | Statcounter Global Stats

This graph shows the stats of desktop screen resolutions worldwide based on over 5 billion monthly page views.

gs.statcounter.com

 

[PipeIT]

Whoever manages the backend, @jpmcwjr could you please ask them, what size they down scale the resolution Width x Height at?

Thanks

 

[woodsroad]

I don’t know if you have a background in computer tech and IT, so I have been explaining this as a professional not personal opinions.

PCs came first, before we had mobile tech, cellphone, tablets etc., therefore resolutions are still described in Computer Resolution sizes.

Also when you build a website, by hand, or a backend like a CMS Content Management System, like Joomla, you are building a site around PC resolutions and computer browsers first, that is the proper way, and the industry standards. Then you make it compatible with other OS operating systems/platforms and their browsers and resolutions.

For online, we base these things around W3C, The World Wide Web Consortium.

W3C

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) develops standards and guidelines to help everyone build a web based on the principles of accessibility, internationalization, privacy and security.

www.w3.org

Now, with all the latest tech, we do have other resolutions, and we don’t use in IT as saying Long, we use Width first Height second.

1024 is not called the Long side that is the resolution width. If we are referring to 1024x768.

I forgot to mention before, there is 1280x1024, but this resolution came after 1024x768. So in the industry standards, if someone only said 1024, it would commonly imply first as talking about 1024x768, otherwise you’d clarify it.

And my mistake too, you did originally mention 1024p, so that would actually be 1280x1024. And that 1024 would be the Height Resolution.

So when you say could be 12, or 1023, if that is in reference to other resolution sizes, again, when you are online, as we are in Cyberspace everything is PC first, we speak of those resolutions first.

And in Standard PC Resolutions there is no 12 or 1023. Please look back if interested at the Wiki link I posted for resolutions.

As end-users, we can make our images any resolution size we want. So I am not sure if that is what you meant when referring to 12 or 1023. I was only asking what size the forum downsizes too, which should be a Standard Resolution. I wasn’t asking about my images resolutions. Our image resolutions are only important if a site downsizes them.

If a forum downsizes as I’ve asked, and if they are doing things by Standards, which they should, then you downsize at PC Resolutions.

640x480
800x600
1024x768
1280x720
1366x768
1920x1080

And so on….

It‘s always PC first…

Thanks

I'm a photographer.
I've been working in digital imaging since 1991.
When you resize an image, you need to maintain aspect ratio, you resize for the long size and the short size falls into place.

Example:
Original file out of the camera: 8192x5464
Delivered to client, downsized: 6000x4002
Social Media resize: 2048x1366
PipesMagazine: 1024x683
All of these files have the same aspect ratio.

This has absolutely nothing to do with PC screen sizes or screen resolution, it has to do with the size of the original file and the intended end use. Files out of the camera are not based on a PC screen size, although there have been some consumer cameras in the past, in the early days of digital, that were. My current camera produces an image file that is 8192x5464. I usually downsize that to 6kp for clients, just because they usually don't need a file 8kp wide. If the images are bound for social media use, I will furnish a second gallery resized to 2048p. I don't resize to a PC screen size. Never have, no photographer does, so i don't know what this "standard" is that you keep mentioning. Maybe that used to apply to web page graphics, way back when, but nowadays, all web pages auto scale to fit the viewer's device, which could be anything, as the sizes and aspect ratio of monitors today are all over the place.

Again, screen size has zero to do with photography. Web sites that automatically resize images don't resize photos to screen size, that would screw up the aspect ratio of the image. They resize the long size (1024, in the case of PM) in order to save server space. The delivered image is then scaled to fit the viewer's device, while maintaining the image aspect ratio.

Go ahead and check the image size of any large photo uploaded to PM that has been automatically downsized. They are all 1024 on the long side. The short side is determined by the camera used, and whether not not they have been cropped, not by "PC Standards".

 

[PipeIT]

I’ve been into computer tech IT since 1991. I understand IT and what we are discussing here as a professional, this is one of my areas of expertise. I am sharing facts as the standards in web design are today, these are not my personal opinions.

I guess I haven’t been explaining myself very well. Sorry I thought I was, so hopefully now I’ll explain better…

You misunderstood me before over resolutions. I am only talking about them in regards to how they are used in situations like this with images on a website, which are typical computer resolutions, and of course there are mobile resolutions too.

You are confusing photography and Web Standards, as if by your understanding Web Standards base images on Photography Standards when being applied to a website, they don’t.

Images on various devices are of course different resolutions and aspect ratios, and do you know what that means in the world of web standards? It’s called Weight, images weigh something, they take up space and bandwidth and that is why, no matter where that image originated from, it is simply scaled to a web standard, that is all. And those standards as of 2024 are still based on PC Resolutions, and that is what I meant before in regards to screen resolutions.

This is all based around the Web Industry Standards I posted a link before.

Now granted, anyone can run their website and scale images and post images and content on their sites anyway they like, but if you want a bandwidth friendly website that loads fast, you don’t put up bloat, you limit the data content size to keep it fast.

Based on Web Standards this does not have anything to do with the image and it’s intended usage, that is incorrect. Websites simply pick what they believe are the most common Web Standard Resolutions and use them, and that is going to be determined of course by the type of website being run. So if it’s a photo website, then it would be common to have several higher resolutions being used.

But a lot of this will also depend as I mentioned on a site’s storage capacity and bandwidth.

So regardless of what resolutions are being used on any device, web masters simply pick a resolution and set it in the backend, for what they believe is best suited to their website, but if they still can’t afford the bandwidth and storage they will limit the sizes.

For maintaining a little level of HD, on a website like this, that is typically 1920x1080. Above this next is 2550x1440p which is not commonly used.

I would say, if you are on a member on a photo site/forum, ask if they downscale images uploaded to their site, and then ask them what resolution do they use?

Just remember people don’t have to use the web standards when it comes to building a site, but they better be very experienced to understand Cross Platform Compatibility, as well as having deep pockets for a lot of storage space and bandwidth if they are going to let members upload 4K and 8K images on website.

As of today, they are saying 53% is mobile access, but we still build sites and run them around the PC Web Standards.

https://research.com/software/mobile-vs-desktop-usage

I hope now I’ve done better explaining myself…