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hawky454

Lifer
Feb 11, 2016
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8,558
Austin, TX
Are you tired of trying to find a good source for your Revor Plug needs? Have you grown tired worrying about where you'll get your next Revor Plug from? Sick of having to ration your sacred Plugs? Ever wish there was a suitable substitute for Revor Plug that's inexpensive and always in stock? Well I have an answer to all your problems!!!
I've been talking with another forum member via PM for a couple of weeks now about McConnell's Latakia Flake. Yes, the name is misleading and is also the reason I put off buying it for so long but I finally pulled the trigger and ordered a tin of Latakia Flake (LF) and I was extremely surprised to find that it is very, very similar to Revor Plug (RP). I urge you RP fans to go out and buy yourself a tin and do a side by side comparison, it even has the same topping, which we both agree is a little stronger on the LF but I think this is a good thing! I can't tell ya how excited we are about LF and we felt it was our duty to share this news with you all (misterlowercase hinted at this in his very informative post about RP, thank you misterlowercase). Please don't let the name fool you, as the Latakia in LF is barely detectable, just like in RP. Yup, I firmly believe that RP contains a very small amount of Latakia... Let's not get hung up on this though as I really barely taste it in either blend.

I expect the majority of you all will be skeptical and I honestly can't blame you but try it out and see for yourself. I had to buy a large stock for myself and they are currently out of stock at SmokingPipes.com but they should be getting more very soon. There are a few other websites that carry it (4Noggins, Cup O Joes) so have at it folks.
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Merry Christmas.

 

hawky454

Lifer
Feb 11, 2016
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I never did get around to trying Revor so I'll have to give this a go, once it's back in stock

This ain't your typical Latakia Flake, it's very unique... other than it tasting almost exactly like Revor Plug.
This forum never fails to surprise me, I thought there would be a lot more interest on this subject.

 

jpmcwjr

Moderator
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May 12, 2015
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That's extraordinary; Revor is Blend Type Virginia/Burley. With Kentucky and Virginias
And Lat. Flake from McConnell has: Kentucky, Black Cavendish, Latakia
Above from tobacco reviews. I just don't understand how they could be similar.

 

hawky454

Lifer
Feb 11, 2016
4,941
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Austin, TX
That's extraordinary; Revor is Blend Type Virginia/Burley. With Kentucky and Virginias
And Lat. Flake from McConnell has: Kentucky, Black Cavendish, Latakia
Above from tobacco reviews. I just don't understand how they could be similar.
Try it! And as someone said in another thread, "there are several ways to skin a cat." However they arrived at the same taste profile, I don't know, what I do know is they taste very, very similar.
Misterlowercase mentions it HERE

 

oldreddog

Part of the Furniture Now
Sep 4, 2014
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Hawky I regularly smoke Revor and I dont get a latakia taste from it,but I understand how ones taste buds could detect a latakia like flavour. I get latakia in Presbyterian mixture although it's not supposed to be there.

I have not smoked the flake you recommend but if the topping is any way similar to RP I imagine it could certainly remind one of RP.

Luckily I can still get hold of RP,but I will get around to trying the McConnell flake.

Mind you I'm surprised that no one has said a flake could not possibly taste like a plug.

:rofl:

 

simong

Lifer
Oct 13, 2015
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I've never tried mcConnells Latakia flake, but I should imagine it's a quality smoke. Their Scottish cake & flake are favourites of mine, when I want a change of pace.

As far as the suggestion of Latakia in revor, may I suggest hawky that your completely off your tits? Or your taste buds have been shot to pieces. Leave the condor alone for a while, drink lots of milk & have another go.

 

hawky454

Lifer
Feb 11, 2016
4,941
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Haha! I'm not alone, there are a lot of folks that swear there is Latakia in Revor but there is no way of knowing unless you have the secret recipe to Revor. I imagine it's hard to let go of that crucial detail but let's put that aside for now as I really hardly taste it in either blend so obviously the name is extremely misleading. All I'm saying is that those who love Revor Plug but no longer have access to it, put all biases aside and try Latakia Flake. I just did another side by side last night and I can hardly taste the difference. I've been smoking a pipe religiously for over 7 years now so hopefully that adds some credibility. A lot of folks that I know are ecstatic about this, including myself.

 

rhoadsie

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I'll try both side by side and give my impressions. That being said, there are a lot more knowledgeable folks here who could comment.
BTW, is there a blend that you don't like hawky454?

 

hawky454

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Thanks, R. Yes, there are plenty of blends that I don't like, why?
A few blends I don't like:
Molto Dolce

Q1

Captain Black...
That being said, I'm not picky but I know what I like.
A few blends I do like:
Revor Plug/Latakia Flake

Condor Plug/Long Cut/Ready Rub

Almost anything by GH&Co.

Real plugs, ect, ect.

 

cobguy

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I'm smoking the last bit of my Revor Plug sample today.
Whether it is a small amount of Latakia present or just the way the toppings interact with the Dark Fired, I'd agree that the light scent, flavor and creaminess is there. I'll definitely give McC's Lat Flake a try ... thanks! :puffy:

 
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I have never thought of Latakia when smoking Revor. Hmmmm... but, I'm a good sport. I'll get some Latakia Flake and try it... if there is any left after you just sent the entire online pipe world to go try it, ha ha.

 

hawky454

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Alright, now we're talking! Please post your thoughts when you all get some. I'd be happy to send you all some samples if you can't obtain any. Cobguy, I believe I owe you for the samples you sent me some time ago. Send me a PM if you're interested.
Jpberg is another man who tastes Latakia in Revor Plug. This is his quote in another thread when I brought it up, "@Hawky, I'm in the same boat. I'll be a monkey's uncle if there is no Latakia in there. I have smoked a lot of this stuff, over a lot of years, and I get Latakia in every bowl." I'm probably just shooting myself in the foot by bringing up this point again but, oh well.

 

piffyr

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Revor Plug is, hands down, my favorite blend on the market. I’ve said before that if I ever had a pipe tobacco custom blended to my taste, the differences between it and Revor would be negligible. I’ve been in discussion with Hawky about this elsewhere and promised to set up a blind taste test between the two. Both blends were rubbed out and sealed in containers by someone else. The containers were marked only as “Blend A” and “Blend B”. I used the same meerschaum pipe for both blends with a thorough cleaning and short rest between each of the bowls. I was not only able to tell the two blends apart, but I could also correctly identify which blend was which. However, I can also say that they have a lot of attributes in common. While they may not be twins, they do share a fair amount of DNA. My impressions of taste and aroma are often too abstract for me to offer a tobacco review that would be meaningful to anyone, but I’ll try to summarize the similarities and differences below.
Deep smoky flavor dominates both blends. The smokiness is a little sharper in LF, akin to an open campfire with maybe some “still green” wood in the mix. Revor’s smoky qualities are a bit deeper and mustier; more like a wood stove than a campfire. As the name would suggest, latakia is the star of LF, but not overbearingly so. I can still readily pick out the flavor of the dark-fired Kentucky and would bet that it is represented in only slightly less proportion. The lat adds a hint of spice and fresh tanned leather to LF. I can detect none of that in Revor and remain convinced that it is not present in that blend. The casing of both blends is nearly identical. I find it more evident in Revor than LF (contrary to Hawky’s impression), but thankfully, it remains a bit player in both blends. What it adds is so subtle that it’s difficult for me to define other than to say that it’s sweetly floral with some sour fermentation and dark fruit tanginess. To my taste, Revor is more full-bodied than LF. LF is dark and creamy smooth, but not as meaty. The flavors in LF remain well defined until nearly the bottom of the bowl when things start to muddy a little. You’re probably about ready to dump the bowl by that point anyway. So, no big deal. Revor begins to tap out a little earlier. Somewhere around the last third of the bowl it starts to lose the definition between the flavors. However, it never becomes bland, just simpler, and remains enjoyable to the end.
In its own right, Latakia Flake is a wonderful, well-balanced blend and I plan to have much, much more of it around in the near future. I think that’s quite an endorsement, since it’s coming from someone that has of late been kind of turned off by lat-forward blends. However, the question is: Is LF a “suitable substitute” for Revor Plug? My own answer for that is, sadly, no. The two blends are very similar, but this is a case where the differences, though minute, outweigh the similarities. If you have an old, favorite blend that has changed the recipe from the original, then you’ll know what I mean. The new recipe may be a fine blend and it’s better to have it than to have lost that blend altogether, but the notes that were lost in the translation inspire remorse. So, I’m very happy that LF exists since Revor is a pain and half to acquire if you live in the states and my single block of it is shrinking at an alarming rate, but the interplay of flavors in Revor is, in my opinion, something special that is not quite matched by LF or any other blend of the market. There simply is no substitute.

 

jpberg

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Yeah. My taste is all in my mouth. I smoke Revor and get some Latakia. If somebody shows me a recipe and it doesn't have latakia, I'm okay with that, but until then I'll believe my tastebuds, not somebody elses.
I haven't had McConnells Latakia Flake in years, but have some tins kicking around. I'll give it a side by side sometime.

 

hawky454

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Anthony, again, thank you for taking the time to do the side by side taste test. Funny how differently we all taste things but I can't help but think that the name alone is very suggestive. I don't get Latakia as the main player in Lat Flake, far from it. Just like in Revor plug, it's barely perceptible to my palate but it's definitely there. This is a very controversial subject so I won't keep stepping on peoples toes, I'm not here to start trouble, just to spread the love. I'm obviously in the minority here but there are others who swear they get Lat as well.

Yeah. My taste is all in my mouth. I smoke Revor and get some Latakia. If somebody shows me a recipe and it doesn't have latakia, I'm okay with that, but until then I'll believe my tastebuds, not somebody elses.
I haven't had McConnells Latakia Flake in years, but have some tins kicking around. I'll give it a side by side sometime.
Thanks for chiming in, Jpberg. I needed some back up. I still absolutely taste Latakia every single time I smoke it... not much, but it's there. I like your philosophy though!

 
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