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My wife bought one of these for our jarred dry food storage, it showed up yesterday and I have to say I am impressed, I used it on a couple of jars that are in my current leaf rotation to test, and today when I got home I popped one open, never have I opened a jar that had that much negative pressure.

It also works on all the jar sizes I have from 32oz wide mouths, to 4oz quarter pints.

I'm pretty happy with her purchase, now I need to reseal all the jars!!!
 

skydog

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Not to be too much of a naysayer, but I'd be concerned it would vacuum out all the oxygen and impact aging. From my recollection GL Pease had an article about the aerobic vs anaerobic aging processes and how he believes the oxygen left in a jar is important to start the aging process. I've had aged jars that had significant negative pressure as well as jars with so much positive pressure that they almost took my head off when I popped them. I've never had a jar that I felt should've been vacuum sealed to start with though.
 
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Not to be too much of a naysayer, but I'd be concerned it would vacuum out all the oxygen and impact aging. From my recollection GL Pease had an article about the aerobic vs anaerobic aging processes and how he believes the oxygen left in a jar is important to start the aging process. I've had aged jars that had significant negative pressure as well as jars with so much positive pressure that they almost took my head off when I popped them. I've never had a jar that I felt should've been vacuum sealed to start with though.
Hmmm...

Le Chatelier's Principle?
 

sablebrush52

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Hmmm...

Le Chatelier's Principle?
Greg has an article on his website pertaining to an experiment involving sucking out all of the air and the results three years later:


The lack of oxygen retards aging. This isn't necessarily a bad thing if you like how a blend tastes fresh. Aging doesn't improve blends. Blends change over time and whether that change constitutes an improvement is up to the individual smoker to decide.
 

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Greg has an article on his website pertaining to an experiment involving sucking out all of the air and the results three years later:


The lack of oxygen retards aging. This isn't necessarily a bad thing if you like how a blend tastes fresh. Aging doesn't improve blends. Blends change over time and whether that change constitutes an improvement is up to the individual smoker to decide.
I agree. Unfortunately, the myth that aging makes everything better is a hard one to beak. Sometimes the changes work in a positive way. Lat bombs are for me, one such example.
 

woodsroad

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I suppose that it all depends on what you consider “better”. I, for one, cringe when politicians call for change, without being very specific about what exactly is in store for us.

Cellaring tobacco doesn’t ensure me of better smokes, it ensures me of something to smoke. Something that is affordable and to my liking. If it has improved over time would be a welcome bonus.
 

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Latakia and perique are two tobaccos that when first packaged in the tin can feel like being on a bucking horse. Time can mellow those notes for those smokers who feel the notes need to be mellowed. The same with Red Virginias and Dark Fired. Does aging make it better? Not particularly. If the goal was to provide the smoker with distinct flavor notes that are very noticeable, then mellowing the tobacco with age defeats that purpose. But everyone has their own preferences - and aging can pleasantly surprise from time to time. Less discussed but just as noticeable, aging also can leave targeted notes flat and bland. But one thing is for sure, tobacco is not particularly packaged with aging in mind - other wise it would be packaged very differently.
 

renfield

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I’m curious how much air/oxygen is actually removed from a jar by one of these machines. It doesn’t take much delta p to get the lid to seat firmly. The notion that there’s anything approaching a real vacuum seems unlikely. I don’t own a vacuum gauge so I’ll have to think up another way to test.
 

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I’m curious how much air/oxygen is actually removed from a jar by one of these machines. It doesn’t take much delta p to get the lid to seat firmly. The notion that there’s anything approaching a real vacuum seems unlikely. I don’t own a vacuum gauge so I’ll have to think up another way to test.
Randomness:

14.7 stoichiometric, 14.7 atmospheric PSI (seal level).

Drive your turbo or supercharged vehicle to the mountains and Jar your tobacco at the ski lodge, then store your now vacuum sealed goods in your oceanfront home.



I just like watching the tobacco err...marshmallows...

Effects of Pressure: The Marshmallow Experiment​


Gas molecules, even in the air we breathe, like their space. They bounce off barriers, other objects and each other to fill a space as evenly as they can. So what happens when they are exposed to a change in pressure?
Marshmallow

In this demonstration we see the effects of vacuum pressure, differential pressure and bi-directional pressure. Four marshmallows are sealed inside a bell jar with an atmospheric pressure of about 14.5 psi. This pressure is created by millions of air particles bouncing off every surface inside the jar, including the surface of the marshmallows. The air outside the marshmallows and the entrained air within the marshmallows is at the same pressure and an equilibrium exists.
In this equilibrium the marshmallows hold their original cylindrical shape. Inside they are porous with tiny air pockets that give them the light, airy texture that make them a favorite snack and hot cocoa topping.
When a vacuum is applied to the bell jar, the gas molecules that were bouncing off the walls and the marshmallows rush out of the jar toward the lower pressure created by the vacuum pump. As the gas molecules vacate the bell jar they are no longer pressing down on the marshmallows, and the air inside the flexible structure of the marshmallows is no longer in equilibrium with the air outside. In this transitional state, a pressure gradient exists. There is now a relatively greater force inside, where there are still air particles, versus outside the marshmallow. The difference in pressure causes the air inside to expand and to partially escape from the structure of the marshmallow. This causes the marshmallows to expand in size.
The difference between the pressure inside the marshmallow and outside the marshmallow is called differential pressure. Imagine if the marshmallows represented a control room in an industrial plant, or the cabin of an airplane. These conditions would be uncomfortable and unsafe for humans, which is why it's important to measure differential pressure.
Read 'What is Pressure? Definition and Types Explained' for more info.
Once the vacuum reaches a plateau, equilibrium is again achieved between the remaining air in the marshmallow and the partial vacuum in the bell jar. At this point, they have peaked in size. The vacuum pump is then turned off and a valve is opened to allow atmospheric pressure back into the bell jar. Many of the air molecules that were entrained in the marshmallow have now escaped through its porous structure, but cannot retake their place inside the marshmallow. We witness the marshmallows "deflate” to a smaller size than their original form, due to the atmospheric pressure introduced to the jar.
As the marshmallows stabilize with their new size and shape, equilibrium once again exists between the air outside the marshmallows and the remaining air within the marshmallows.
 

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Drive your turbo or supercharged vehicle to the mountains and Jar your tobacco at the ski lodge, then store your now vacuum sealed goods in your oceanfront home.


I understand that's how, um, let's see... aspiring people might have to do it, but for those who have arrived the best method is to fly the tobacco into space and jar it there, then return the jars to Earth and store them in the NORAD vault in Cheyenne Mountain.
 
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I understand that's how, um, let's see... aspiring people might have to do it, but for those who have arrived the best method is to fly the tobacco into space and jar it there, then return the jars to Earth and store them in the NORAD vault in Cheyenne Mountain.
This guy gets it!
 

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renfield

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Fortunately we can safely rule out relativistic effects as being important to the aging of pipe tobacco in a mason jar. At least for most of us.
 

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Are the tins we purchase not vacuum sealed? What percentage of air is removed? Who knows. I also have a jar vacuum sealing contraption. When removing air it only reaches 99%, thus some air is left in the jar. Is 99% too much? I have no idea. All I can say is that so far I am pleased with the results. Much more than food grade bags that are vacuum sealed.
 
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My guess is that a 25.00 sealer only pulls enough vacuum to hold the lid on tightly. At around 4,000 microns you crystallize water and it sublimates unless there is enough heat transfer to keep it liquid. My guess is that your sealer is pulling about 15” of vacuum and leaving half the oxygen in the jar. Most vacuum sealed tins fall in this range. Aerobic activity is slowed but anaerobic activity will start up in half the time. The water stays liquid and will help maintain the vacuum. A tin sealed at atmospheric pressure tends to build pressure. Most aerobic activity gives off co2 gas and can add about 5psi pressure to a tin over time. I think the new Gawith tins only get down to about 10” vacuum and are more microbialy active than most everything else. These can equalize with atmospheric in less than a year. If the seal is lost there is no barrier to out gassing moisture. It doesn’t take much vacuum to prevent tobacco from drying out. The moment it’s lost it’s only a matter of time. I have sealed tins with creases from pressure that are probably still good.

Short answer: slightly pull up on any vacuum sealed tins every year. Jar up anything that opens, ignore anything that doesn’t.
When storing bulk, use either a tight retained lid, or bring the vacuum below -10psig
 

mikebjrtx

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Are the tins we purchase not vacuum sealed? What percentage of air is removed? Who knows. I also have a jar vacuum sealing contraption. When removing air it only reaches 99%, thus some air is left in the jar. Is 99% too much? I have no idea. All I can say is that so far I am pleased with the results. Much more than food grade bags that are vacuum sealed.
Your vacuum sealer’s 99% might make sense somewhere other than the real world. But I would bet it has nothing to do with true vacuum or even a percentage of atmospheric
 

proteus

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I've used vacuum sealers that seal food bags which come with a hose to seal mason jars. I'd say I've used these for 10 or so years now looking quickly at my stash dates. Maybe a bit longer. I have had great results preserving tobacco this way from what I have tasted from say 7 or 8 years back. Back say late 80s when I started smoking a pipe they didn't have these readily available for reasonable money. I never stashed much back in those days but today now with a couple hundred pounds now under vacuum it really helps with the aging and preserving of bulks I'll say. Not for everyone but it's suits me just fine. I even store open tins I'm smoking using jars vacuum sealed.