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pappymac

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When I ran a pipe cleaner through the stem of my 1926 Dunhill Bruyere Innertube the other day, a piece of the bit decided to break off. Now I'm looking for suggestion where to get a replacement stem made. Any suggestions as to who can do a good reproduction of the stem to include the white dot?

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mso489

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Feb 21, 2013
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I think there are Dunhill repair people who can fix you up just right, but not being a Dunhill guy, I don't know who they are. I had a good experience with Norwood pipe repair replacing a rapidly oxidizing stem (after every smoke and effort to polish). I gave up an old Vulcanite P-lip for an acrylic tortoise shell stem and am well satisfied. But I think a Dunhill specialist would give you something specific to this pipe. Mine was a gift Thompson Cigar house pipe stamped West Germany.
 
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georged

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George Dibos will do a superb job but he can be expensive at times.

Sometimes, sort of, maybe, it depends.

I am not expensive, but getting a "replica grade" stem made can be.

Like so:

The process to make dead-on duplicates is exacting and laborious, and though I don't charge much per hour ($25) it can add up. Shapes that must blend with an up-curved, flared shank are especially difficult, for example, but few people who aren't shop types would know something so subtle could easily DOUBLE the effort required. (If interested, you can watch what's involved in making such a stem here: Replacing a Flared Asymmetric Saddle Stem - YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFwwtvtKlXW8w9ytBl8M2h31pTefwsjkd )

But it's exactly the same RATE for all pipes. Their market value doesn't factor into it, the same as when a machinist is hired to make a part for an obsolete car. He just works from a drawing and doesn't care if it will be fitted to a Rolls Royce or a low-end Chevy. Meaning the Bo Nordh and lars Ivarsson collectors who send me their stuff are delighted, while the owners of lower grade pieces might or might not use me depending on the emotional value of the pipe to them (heirloom, present from wife, etc), or how important precision and accuracy are to them personally.
 

georged

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PS --

Something that hasn't been mentioned in this thread is whether or not a pipe's owner---in this case pappymac---cares whether or not a level fit is achieved by matching the new stem's base/face to the shank independently (while off the pipe), or wood is removed from the shank while they are joined and the shank then refinished. (A process called "leveling")

The second method works fine in functional terms, but kills the aesthetic lines---and therefore the value---of collectables. Doing it that way also requires much less effort, and is therefore less expensive.

Definitely ask when shopping around. A surprising number of people are surprised to learn that it was always done that way by repair shops (back when every city had a few), and is often still considered the norm unless a special request is made.

Ditto shape/profile and dimensional accuracy. Dunhill used a type of rod stock shaping grinder that always resulted in geometrically straight lines top and bottom. There are (for all prectical purposes) no molded blanks that will allow that profile to be copied using a molded replacement.

In short, today's collectors still get burned by "tobacco access device" repair tradition from time to time.
 

sasquatch

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Jul 16, 2012
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All dead on points, George, I did a "fake" Dunhill stem for a friend recently, and did it basically to match a 42 shell I have on hand (his being a 46), and it's one thing to make a stem, another to make a good one, but another yet to make one indistinguishable from the original.
 

mingc

Lifer
Jun 20, 2019
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When I ran a pipe cleaner through the stem of my 1926 Dunhill Bruyere Innertube the other day, a piece of the bit decided to break off. Now I'm looking for suggestion where to get a replacement stem made. Any suggestions as to who can do a good reproduction of the stem to include the white dot?

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georged didn't say he's not available. Ask him. You've seen his work. It's a no-brainer.
 
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@georged , must to tell you, referring to my own and friends experience, here all across the Eu continent we still have few pipe repair shops remaining in operation and, what i can tell you no of them will give a damn' to customer special requests,you got your pipe back and it functions, thats it, the repair itself might have been performed impeccably or satisfactorily depending on the mood and willingness of that particular repair dude
 

georged

Lifer
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@georged , must to tell you, referring to my own and friends experience, here all across the Eu continent we still have few pipe repair shops remaining in operation and, what i can tell you no of them will give a damn' to customer special requests,you got your pipe back and it functions, thats it, the repair itself might have been performed impeccably or satisfactorily depending on the mood and willingness of that particular repair dude
I think that most of the time it's simply a matter of profitability/business viability.

Anything that involves creating a precision object by hand---jewelry, fountain pens, knives, and pipe repair are all good examples---has a "return on investment" rule regarding effort.

A minimally acceptable result is around 80%. Halving the distance to perfection---reaching 90%---requires a doubling of that effort. Halving the distance again to 95% requires another doubling, still again to reach 97.5%, and so on. (The rule never ends since perfection is impossible to achieve, so things usually stop at "virtual" perfection.)

A good example is the Japanese katana sword. Functional ones can be found at swap meets for a few hundred dollars. The world's best specimens are produced by teams who have a specialist for every step of the process, require many hundreds of man-hours of labor, and cost a half-million dollars or more.

True high grade pipe repair is a new concept. Until the Scandanavian solo artist makers started raising the execution bar in the late 80s/early 90s to previously unimagined heights, there were no pipe collectors in today's sense of the term. There were pipe accumulators, to be sure, but since factory workmanship focused on functionality, so did repair work. And that was OK. It was expected. (Some brands were better than others, but even the best were still mass produced. i.e. made under time pressure.)

When the new Scandinavian marvels got damaged, though, their owners weren't satisfied with mass-production-class repair work, and they discovered most uber grade carvers didn't DO repair work. (It's a vastly different thing than creating pipes in the first place... the tools, materials, techniques, and mind-set have very little overlap.)

A few people crazy enough to "go there" then filled that void.

An unintended side effect of the Scandanavian Awakening was that after collectors knew what was possible, some of them wanted the same standard applied to all their damaged pipes, even the factory made ones. They wanted "invisible" instead of detectable repairs.

Which brings things back around to business viability. Where a $200 exact-copy stem for a multi-thousand-dollar Bo Nordh is a no-brainer, the same amount of effort (expense) to save a vastly less valuable GBD, Dunhill, or Barling isn't asked for often enough for a "functional fix" shop to worry about. They see a hundred normal customers for every hardcore collector, and can get along just fine by doing what they've done for generations: Use molded stems, grind shanks to level, approximate color matches, and so on.

Where things get messy is when one of those hardcore collectors wants high grade repair work and either can't locate one of the few shops capable of it---the low demand means there are only a small number of them---or thinks he has found one and discovers after the pipe is returned that it wasn't the case.

And here we are. My apologies an behalf of my repair brethren, Paulie. It sounds like things in Europe are especially tough.
 
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All dead on points, George, I did a "fake" Dunhill stem for a friend recently, and did it basically to match a 42 shell I have on hand (his being a 46), and it's one thing to make a stem, another to make a good one, but another yet to make one indistinguishable from the original.

Summarized well by the Big Cat, you basically only get exactly what you pay for.
 
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hauntedmyst

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I think the real question is, if you are going to the trouble of making a new stem, around you going to go with just a black stem with plain white dot or will you jazz it up a but Tritium or Super-LumiNova dot for a high tech watch like look or have george install neon under glow for a custom car more money than taste look? Huh? huh? Come on? You know you are thinking about it! Every time you inhale seeing that white dot turn neon blue! Pretty cool!

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