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Andre_T

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Nixon was in Dallas acting as a lawyer for Pepsi. He had nothing to do with the death of JFK, and had left Dallas that morning.
I once read that Nixon was on the tarmac in Dallas as security was setting up for JFK and the guy sitting next to him commented a few different things happened and it could have been you coming here. When he landed he got a cab that got lost in Queens and some woman ran out her house screaming. She ran in front of the cab and they got out to see if they could help her. She looked at Nixon and passed out. When she came around she stated Kennedy had been shot and the first person she saw after was Nixon and so she fainted.
 
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Briar Lee

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I once read that Nixon was on the tarmac in Dallas as security was setting up for JFK and the guy sitting next to him commented a few different things happened and it could have been you coming here. When he landed he got a cab that got lost in Queens and some woman ran out her house screaming. She ran in front of the cab and they got out to see if they could help her. She looked at Nixon and passed out. When she came around she stated Kennedy had been shot and the first person she saw after was Nixon and so she fainted.

Risk taking

Let’s schedule the President to ride in an open car through the high rise canyons of a major city at 10 miles an hour along a published parade route.

Such a man might have Marlyn Monroe sing him happy birthday in a painted on dress.:)

The “grassy knoll” was a security disaster. It was a perfect place to set up an ambush.

Oswald shot at least twice and we know that.

But a lot of folks ran or looked towards the grassy knoll. There wasn’t anyone there.

But what if, there was another lone wolf loser who got away?

You can’t entirely rule that out. He would have been surprised when Oswald beat him to it.

 

JimInks

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Not saying this isn't true, but I've read that he was driven to the airport by a Pepsi Executive on 11/22 after the assassination.

There are also three different accounts of how Nixon recounted heard about the assassination, all documented in his own words. Everyone I know who was alive on 11/22/63 knows every detail about the moment they found out.

To further assist the conspiracy theorists, the son of another Pepsi Executive had dinner with Jack Ruby on 11/21/63.
Some theories are just plain nuts. There is no reason to suspect Nixon being involved in Kennedy's murder nor is there any proof that he was. Even if Nixon told more than one story about where he was at that time - and I'd like to see absolute proof that he changed his story because the one I've always read from him was consistent - it's not proof that he was involved in it. There are witnesses to how and when Nixon heard about JFK's murder, and they back up Nixon's story. Anybody can take one little thing and blow it up into crazy talk. Connecting Nixon to this is one of them.
 
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BingBong

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Cui Bono, folks. I like the Mary Pinchot Meyer angle; I believe she said "they'd lost control of him", after she'd indulged him with psychedelics.
 
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Cui Bono, folks. I like the Mary Pinchot Meyer angle; I believe she said "they'd lost control of him", after she'd indulged him with psychedelics.

There is no doubt JFK was a risk taking horn dog who today would not be protected by an adoring press corps.

If I was a pretty woman I’d never go jogging on a trail. It’s been the end of far too many fair maidens. A black man murdered Mary Meyer, and a slick lawyer walked him.



Why would a Georgetown society lady have destroyed any chances she had with upper class men by telling tales?

One thing about JFK, he didn’t mess around with porn stars and playboy bunnies who would blab to the papers.

The quality of Presidential mistresses has been on a steady decline since Lucy Rutherford Mercer.:)
 

PaulRVA

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What if the rife and casings were placed in the Book Depository Building knowing Oswald would be the perfect “Patsy” and two different shooters besides him made the shots ? There were no usable prints on the rifle? The rifle doesn’t match the one purchased by him? No bullets found other than the “Magic Bullet”
The magic bullet without deformation or ballistics matching the rifle ? The “Magic Bullet” that just happened to be “Found” on the stretcher with a later botched chain of custody and a bullet that people on that chain of custody couldn't identify or claimed to have never even handled ????
Too many variables for anything definitive to be concluded.
Which to me makes it an easy cover up. Add the poor investigation, lack of concrete evidence and no Oswald to blab and you’re left with whatever you can dream up.
Kinda the whole intended point isn’t it ? Was Jack Ruby acting out of rage for harming Kennedy or was it for something else ? Was Marina his handler ? I have no doubt Oswald was part of a conspiracy but what part that was is my real question.
Was he the actual hitter or just a scapegoat meant to appear as the shooter?
 

Briar Lee

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What if the rife and casings were placed in the Book Depository Building knowing Oswald would be the perfect “Patsy” and two different shooters besides him made the shots ? There were no usable prints on the rifle? The rifle doesn’t match the one purchased by him? No bullets found other than the “Magic Bullet”
The magic bullet without deformation or ballistics matching the rifle ? The “Magic Bullet” that just happened to be “Found” on the stretcher with a later botched chain of custody and a bullet that people on that chain of custody couldn't identify or claimed to have never even handled ????
Too many variables for anything definitive to be concluded.
Which to me makes it an easy cover up. Add the poor investigation, lack of concrete evidence and no Oswald to blab and you’re left with whatever you can dream up.
Kinda the whole intended point isn’t it ? Was Jack Ruby acting out of rage for harming Kennedy or was it for something else ? Was Marina his handler ? I have no doubt Oswald was part of a conspiracy but what part that was is my real question.
Was he the actual hitter or just a scapegoat meant to appear as the shooter?

There is incredible disinformation and distortion and cherry picking involved in the JFK conspiracy industry.

First- Oswald had the 38 revolver on his person when captured. He shot and killed Officer Tippit using that 38. That is a stone cold fact. No doubt. He’s not a patsy for that murder.

All of Klien’s records were microfilmed in early 1963. When contacted Klien’s found records for the Smith and Wesson AND the Carcano.

He made three seperate payments to Kline’s. A deposit on the revolver, then a payment in full on the rifle, and a final balance due on the revolver. All were shipped to AJ Hidell’s Dallas PO Box which was paid by Oswald.

Oswald ordered a carbine and they sent him a rifle. There’s where all the disinformation comes. But the numbers match. Oswald actually got a bargain.

The magic bullet is not pristine. It’s flattened and lead missing from the core. They show you the pretty side of it.

It did not zig zag. It entered Kennedy’s back and went straight through, out his neck, into the jump seat, through the jump seat, into Conally’s chest, deflected off a rib, through his wrist, and entered his thigh, then fell out. There was never anything really hard to deform it.

And as for the head shot.

Conally’s doctors thought he had a bad head wound until they realized it was blood and brain matter from the President right behind him.

Had there been a shot from the front, either Jackie (if from grassy knoll) or the rear trunk lid (if from Triple Overpass) would have had all that gore that was all over the back of Conally.

I think Oswald only shot twice. I’m in the minority but I’m not alone.

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And there is a vanishing low possibility of another nut job on the grassy knoll or triple overpass who had the same idea as Oswald, but missed. I don’t believe that, but it’s within possibility.

If you didn’t work at the Depository, and wanted to take a shot at JFK, the grassy knoll or triple overpass is where you’d set up.

Except, nobody did. The acoustics of Dealey Plaza caused the confusion, I think.
 
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Briar Lee

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Some theories are just plain nuts. There is no reason to suspect Nixon being involved in Kennedy's murder nor is there any proof that he was. Even if Nixon told more than one story about where he was at that time - and I'd like to see absolute proof that he changed his story because the one I've always read from him was consistent - it's not proof that he was involved in it. There are witnesses to how and when Nixon heard about JFK's murder, and they back up Nixon's story. Anybody can take one little thing and blow it up into crazy talk. Connecting Nixon to this is one of them.

Nixon had zero knowledge or involvement in the assassination whatsoever. He was in flight to New York when it happened.

Nixon was such a paranoid, self aggrandizing, narcissistic liar that although he was on a plane, beyond any doubt, he told varying stories about that day the rest of his life. He probably believed them.

Here’s the official Nixon library version

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I just love this version! How Nixonian!!!

According to Nixon, the cab was stopped at a traffic light when a random man ran over and said he heard a rumor that Kennedy had been shot and asked the cab driver if he had a radio. Nixon dismissed the man as “one of the nuts” and thought nothing of it until he got home and his doorman told him that Kennedy had been killed. Nixon recalled that he rushed up to his apartment and immediately called FBI director J. Edgar Hoover to find out more about it.

“What happened?” Nixon asked. “Was it one of the nuts?”

“No,” Hoover replied. “It was an anti-Communist.”

Nearly fifteen years later, it was reported that the anti-Communist in question, Lee Harvey Oswald, had originally planned on assassinating Nixon after learning from the Dallas Morning News that he was in town, only to be talked out of it by his wife.


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Imagining that J Edgar Hoover would call Oswald an Anti Communist is so Nixony only Nixon could make that up.

And only Nixon could go to China.

Whatever evils the man did or had others do, or covered up, and regardless of the countless lies he told that cannot possibly be cataloged, he had Kissinger as Sec State, he ended Vietnam, began to normalize Chinese relations, and when he was absolutely cornered resigned, and let Jerry Ford try to heal us.

He never considered himself a crook, since he was the President, after all.:)
 

Briar Lee

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Doesn’t explain the size of the Occipital wound to me though.
That’s one of my biggest beefs with the whole event. Well that and Jack Ruby.

The head shot, was captured by Zapruder on film and a micro second later by Mary Moorman with a Polaroid.
JFK got hit on the right side of his head. You can see it. There’s no doubt.

If enlarged you can see the gore gush out forwards. Then he snaps back.

As for Ruby, if a stripper had not called him he’d have not been down the street wiring her money when a delayed Oswald was transferred. He left his dog Sheba in his car. The timing was within seconds, and beyond any planning.



Mary Moorman is stil alive.





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