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Wisps77

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Yeah welcome to reason #17 why I won't order from P&C anymore lol.
Since I reside in PA and their *distribution center* also lives in Bethlehem, PA (Ofc the real business is in Denmark) all my purchases (even non-tobacco accessories) are subject to Pennsylvania intrastate tobacco excise tax.
It frosts my balls I know that.
 

RPaul

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Well, as a kid I cropped tobacco one summer. Uh, I think those of you growing your own are brave souls, but as for me? If I can't buy or trade for tobacco, I might have to give it up. I will *never* crop tobacco again, not enough soap in the world to convince me to do so.

On the other paw, trading/selling firearms or gunsmith work for tobacco is definitely something I would consider.
 

Wisps77

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Well, as a kid I cropped tobacco one summer. Uh, I think those of you growing your own are brave souls, but as for me? If I can't buy or trade for tobacco, I might have to give it up. I will *never* crop tobacco again, not enough soap in the world to convince me to do so.

On the other paw, trading/selling firearms or gunsmith work for tobacco is definitely something I would consider.
Yes. I live in Southern Indiana. I've done my fair share of tobacco work. But I think the guys growing their own artisan tobacco aren't doing it on the scale we're familiar with. In fact I've read about some having success growing in pots even. But you could easily have a lions share of tobacco bartering with your gunsmithing. That's a pretty awesome craft. What types of guns do you specialize in or prefer to build? Bet you know some great secrets of the gun world.
 
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RPaul

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Yes. I live in Southern Indiana. I've done my fair share of tobacco work. But I think the guys growing their own artisan tobacco aren't doing it on the scale we're familiar with. In fact I've read about some having success growing in pots even. But you could easily have a lions share of tobacco bartering with your gunsmithing. That's a pretty awesome craft. What types of guns do you specialize in or prefer to build? Bet you know some great secrets of the gun world.
Oh, I tend to do my best work with guns meant for self-defense. Sigs are my favorites. I have been building some ARs lately, too. Lately, people have been asking for the easiest upgrade ever.

If you have a P365 with the 3.1" barrel, buy an X-Macro handgrip and a Radian Ramjet/Afternurner. Total install time is less than 5 mins - swap the FCU into the X-Macro, swap the barrel, dog down the afterburner to 15lbs, put the gun back together, and do a function test.

When you go fire it, you will be amazed at how much tighter your groupings are, and how much more fun the thing is to fire. Handles and fires much more like a Glock 19 than a micro sub. Add an optic or Laser/Light, and you have one heck of a carry weapon. ;)

Given the coming tobacco apocalypse, you may need it too. Dang theives! ;)
 

warren

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When you go fire it, you will be amazed at how much tighter your groupings are, and how much more fun the thing is to fire. Handles and fires much more like a Glock 19 than a micro sub. Add an optic or Laser/Light, and you have one heck of a carry weapon. ;)
I prefer a hand sized grouping to spread the hydro-static shock over as wide a "kill zone" as possible. No interest in tight groups. Many shoot for fun though and score. More power to them, enjoy. Shooting can be a great past-time for many I suppose. My purpose on the range was/is darker than most I'm guessing. We are all striving for accuracy of course.

PS

My only goal is to walk away relatively unscathed and my opponent out of the fight.
 
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Wisps77

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Oh, I tend to do my best work with guns meant for self-defense. Sigs are my favorites. I have been building some ARs lately, too. Lately, people have been asking for the easiest upgrade ever.

If you have a P365 with the 3.1" barrel, buy an X-Macro handgrip and a Radian Ramjet/Afternurner. Total install time is less than 5 mins - swap the FCU into the X-Macro, swap the barrel, dog down the afterburner to 15lbs, put the gun back together, and do a function test.

When you go fire it, you will be amazed at how much tighter your groupings are, and how much more fun the thing is to fire. Handles and fires much more like a Glock 19 than a micro sub. Add an optic or Laser/Light, and you have one heck of a carry weapon. ;)

Given the coming tobacco apocalypse, you may need it too. Dang theives! ;)
Awesome! Thanks for the info. Much appreciated
 

Sobrbiker

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I prefer a hand sized grouping to spread the hydro-static shock over as wide a "kill zone" as possible. No interest in tight groups. Many shoot for fun though and score. More power to them, enjoy. Shooting can be a great past-time for many I suppose. My purpose on the range was/is darker than most I'm guessing. We are all striving for accuracy of course.

PS

My only goal is to walk away relatively unscathed and my opponent out of the fight.
I totally disagree. Under adrenaline soaked duress when your fine motor skills go to crap, you’ll most likely be lucky if your “hand sized groups” become somewhere between microwave and refrigerator sized.
“Hand size” groups may be acceptable for defensive handgun training if you’re practicing one handed with your weak hand.
I do agree with the goal of to effectively stop a lethal threat.
The FBI “five dot drill” is a great eye opener for many, I highly recommend it.

Anyway, I apologize for continuing the thread derailment.
 

warren

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It's been years but, I think what we were taught was called "The Zimbabwe Drill", two to the chest area, elevate point of aim to head. If it's still there, one to the head. When practicing close-in shooting, which is all I do these days, I aim with my eye, the weapon follows,

I've found the adrenaline doesn't kick in until after a confrontation. Well, unless the confrontation is longer than a few seconds, then keeping the eyes "wide" and breath control become important.
 

warren

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Just as I was dropping off to sleep I believe I remembered the correct terms for the drill, Mozambique if memory serves. Had to make that correction.

Autonomic responses vary in each individual. It's much more than simple adrenaline. Rigorous training and, to some extent, mental exercise will help direct such these responses so they are positive rather than negative controls..

Under adrenaline soaked duress when your fine motor skills go to crap, you’ll most likely be lucky if your “hand sized groups” become somewhere between microwave and refrigerator sized.
This is a generalization which can't be supported. Some may react one way and others another. One of my assignments as an "Officer Survival" instructor was to closely investigate officer involved shootings. How the officers involved reacted under stress varied widely.

But, we are a considerable distance from "the Upcoming Tobacco Apocalypse. I'd have to reread the entire thread before I can understand how we got to where we are. My apologies for having abetted in the high-jacking.

Now, back to bed.
 
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Sobrbiker

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Just as I was dropping off to sleep I believe I remembered the correct terms for the drill, Mozambique if memory serves. Had to make that correction.

Autonomic responses vary in each individual. It's much more than simple adrenaline. Rigorous training and, to some extent, mental exercise will help direct such these responses so they are positive rather than negative controls..


This is a generalization which can't be supported. Some may react one way and others another. One of my assignments as an "Officer Survival" instructor was to closely investigate officer involved shootings. How the officers involved reacted under stress varied widely.

But, we are a considerable distance from "the Upcoming Tobacco Apocalypse. I'd have to reread the entire thread before I can understand how we got to where we are. My apologies for having abetted in the high-jacking.

Now, back to bed.
Cheers, very true.
I apologize for the lazy generalization.
Much of the basis of that comment comes from being a civilian instructor, and the realization provided by this brief exchange, that none that sought my instruction were people that knew from experience how they would react, where a “prepare for the worst, and hope for the best” mindset more aptly applies. I believe wholly that rigorous training, to include mental exercise is the best hedge (hence my “left of bang” reference).

This does make a great analogy to how myself, as a novitiate pipe smoker, addresses the hope of “thriving in the tobacco apocalypse”-I listened to many that know more than me and grabbed hopefully enough of what I stood to lose to last some years to come, and am adjusting my mindset to focus on remaining adaptable in the future.
 
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