‘Deeming’ Down
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Kevin Godbee - Jun 26, 2014
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You, over there. The guy with the pipe in his mouth. How do you like being a FDA target? Feel good being zeroed-in by one of the largest federal bureaucracies in the known world? Getting accustomed to the big red and white target on your back? Maybe you are getting that ol’ hunted down feeling?
It’s going to get worse. Oh, you don’t have to take the Pipe Pundit’s word on this. Just go to the FDA’s own website and read all about "deeming." Or, check out the Federal Register on the subject.
Pipe tobacco has been "deemed" by this sprawling bureaucracy—at last count there were more than 14,000 people working in the agency—which means this according to the Federal Register:
FDA currently regulates cigarettes, cigarette tobacco, roll-your-own tobacco, and smokeless tobacco products. The law (Tobacco Control Act of 2009) also gave FDA the ability to regulate additional tobacco products, commonly referred to as "deeming" them through rulemaking. The proposed rule would include the following products under FDA’s authority: electronic cigarettes, cigars, pipe tobacco, waterpipe (hookah) tobacco, and novel products like nicotine gels and dissolvables (sic) not already under FDA’s authority. . .
In a fit of misinformation, the FDA says,
"Once deemed, tobacco products become subject to the FD&C Act and its implementing regulations, affording FDA additional tools to use to reduce the number of illnesses and premature deaths associated with the use of tobacco products. For example, it would provide FDA with critical information regarding the health risks of the proposed deemed tobacco products including information derived from ingredient listing submissions and reporting of hazardous and potentially hazardous constituents required under the FD&C Act."
This means that the FDA is tossing pipe tobacco and cigars in with cigarettes. There is no effort to refine the law or regulation to show that the Surgeon General’s latest report says that smoking either a pipe or a cigar has relatively the same health risks as those who do not smoke.
So, "deeming" is skewed right from the start by FDA, citing its mandates from Congress, which, by the way, loves its cigars, too.
Cigars, along with pipe tobacco, recently became a "deemed" product by the FDA, which claims to be carrying out the mandates of the 2009 Tobacco Control Act, better known as the Family Tobacco Protection Act, which gave the FDA jurisdiction over tobacco products.
Rack up another one for the Antis. They win again.
Let the Pipe Pundit explain. The FDA has now extended its "comment" period for the new cigar and pipe tobacco "deeming" regs until July 9. There are two options in the new rules:
Option One: Would extend the FDA’s "tobacco product" authorities in the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FD&C Act) to all other categories of products, except accessories of a proposed deemed tobacco product, that meet the statutory definition of "tobacco product" in the FD&C Act.
In other words, Option One rounds up all tobacco products, including e-cigarettes, for regulatory action. But, the FDA isn’t going to take away your cigar cutter or lighters. They aren’t interested in accessories. . . yet. That’s a thoughtful elimination, don’t you think?
Option Two: Would extend the Agency’s "tobacco product" authorities to all other categories of products, except premium cigars and the accessories of a proposed deemed tobacco product, that meet the statutory definition of "tobacco product" in the FD&C Act.
Again, the FDA is not after your lighter.
Now, everybody and his brother thinks that not including premium cigars in the new regs would be wonderful. Even some of the antis are saying they hate Option Two, but, obviously, for different reasons.
The University of California at San Francisco’s Center for Tobacco Control Research and Education puts it this way:
An unregulated premium cigar under Option 2 is defined as: "a cigar that (1) is wrapped in whole tobacco leaf; (2) contains a 100 percent leaf tobacco binder; (3) contains primarily long filler tobacco; (4) is made by combining manually the wrapper, filler, and binder; (5) has no filter, tip, or non-tobacco mouthpiece and is capped by hand; (6) has a retail price (after any discounts or coupons) of no less that $10 per cigar (adjusted, as necessary, every 2 years, effective July 1st, to account for price increases in the price of tobacco products since the last price adjustment); (7) does not have a characterizing flavor other than tobacco; and (8) weighs more than 6 pounds per 1000 units".
And furthermore, the CTCRE says that Option 2 is not appropriate for the protection of the public health, and would result in negative public health consequences. Indeed, all the scientific evident that the FDA summarizes in the draft rule makes a compelling case for rejecting Option 2 and including all cigars among deemed products that will be subject to uniform regulations.
So, safe to say the antis aren’t happy with the FDA, either.
Here’s the hitch: If premium cigars get a bye on this one, there will be a new classification for all cigars that could cost the cigar consumer mucho down the road.
"Premium cigars" is a new title, a new dimension the FDA has discovered. Anything at or over $10 is a premium cigar, for the FDA. So, what is going to happen, you ask?
Every cigar in America is going to go up to $10 and more in order to bypass the new FDA cigar regs. A baseline price point for a cigar is going to start at $10 to avoid the FDA regulation.
When the FDA catches on (it was slooooooow with the roll-your-own cigarette ploy of claiming to be "pipe tobacco) it will simply raise the bottom line price. Ergo, cigar manufacturers will have little choice but to be in lockstep with FDA pricing rules.
Hold on now. Pipe tobacco isn’t mentioned anywhere that Pipe Pundit has read about being excluded in any sort of cockamamie way by the FDA.
And before the Pipe Pundit moves on to pipe tobacco, how do you like FDA’s getting into the cigar pricing business? Yeah, that’ll work!
Okay, now for pipe tobacco. As the Pipe Pundit sees it, FDA will come back at some future date, when it realizes that it has been had, again, and will begin tweaking pipe tobacco regs since the paper-pushers did conclude that the stuff we smoke in our pipes has been deemed a "tobacco product."
The FDA and the Centers for Disease Control claim unapologetically that 480,000 people "die annually from ‘tobacco-attributable’ diseases. "At this rate, there will be more than 17 million deaths from tobacco use between now and mid-century."
Just to keep the playing field somewhat level, let’s look at the numbers for those who die on the nation’s roads from drunk driving: About 30 per day or 10,200 a year in the latest figures provided by the CDC.
You can look all that up if you are a mind to at the CDC’s site here. Right, the CDC says more people die annually from smoking than die in auto crashes related to driving and alcohol.
Those smoking deaths, by the way, are from cigarettes, not pipes and cigars. And until the CDC breaks out the number specifically for pipe and cigar smokers, the Pipe Pundit is going to use the CDC’s claim that 480K die in the U.S. each year from smoking cigarettes; zero from smoking a pipe or cigar.
A couple of other points before summing up:
The CDC says that "Excessive alcohol consumption, the fourth leading preventable cause of death in the United States resulted in approximately 88,000 deaths and 2.5 million years of potential life lost annually during 2006–2010 and cost an estimated $223.5 billion in 2006.
I’m not a statistician by anyone’s imagination, but the CDC also says that in 2010, over 1.4 million drivers were arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol or narcotics.
The CDC says that is one percent of the 112 million episodes of alcohol-impaired driving among U.S. adults each year.
Drugs other than alcohol (i.e. marijuana and cocaine) are involved in about 18 percent of motor vehicle driver deaths. These other drugs are often used in combination with alcohol.
Uh, is it just me, or does having 1.4 million drunks knocking back beers and puffing weed on the nation’s highways seem like driving roulette?
Seems to the Pipe Pundit that it would be far more beneficial to one’s health to get those bleary-eyed, booze-fueled, pill-popping, weed-huffing drivers off the roadways rather than spend all that time telling pipe smokers how unhealthy they are, and that they are public pariahs.
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I’m just a little confused as to what this means for us as pipe smokers. will pipe tobacco just be taxed much more? does this mean we won’t be able to get our favorite blends from the UK, Italy, or Denmark? Is this the end of online sales? Will the new regulations/restrictions make it difficult for blenders to comply, leading to disappearance of certain blends?
Just looking for a little clarity here. All I got from this article was that the FDA will most likely start regulating pipe tobacco. But, what does that MEAN?
“There is no effort to refine the law or regulation to show that the Surgeon General’s latest report says that smoking either a pipe or a cigar has relatively the same health risks as those who do not smoke.”
Do you have a link to this report? I’d like to add that to my arsenal. :o)
Thanks!
I’d expect nothing less from this administration. The “Nanny State” is out of control. Contact state and federal reps; that’s what I do.
Two points about pipe tobacco as it relates to the FDA. Taxes aren’t under the control of the FDA, so they can’t raise taxes. That would have to be done by Congress with Presidential approval, so there’s no worry right now.
However, they will grandfather in all pipe tobacco on the market by February 15, 2007, but anything marketed after that date will be subjected to testing before approval, and the testing is very expensive, meaning that many more recent blends will have to disappear. Going to the FDA website to make your comments (be polite, please) will help our efforts to minimize the damage.
Russ
In Washington, pot is legal and a tobacco smoker is almost burnt at the stake. Typical government . . . I’ve sent my comments to FDA (yes they were polite).
According to the CDC, 18.1% of American adults smoke, and the rate is declining.
According to the CDC, 34.9% of American adults are obese, and the rate is increasing.
Methinks the politicians are fighting the wrong windmill.
Russ is absolutely right, and maybe I should have been clearer on the “grandfather” clause with the FDA and new tobaccos.
As for taxes, my view is that anything the FDA does is hand-in-glove with Congress and the Executive Branch and will eventually make its way to the taxing coffers and a hand in my pockets.
Congress has never seen a tobacco tax it didn’t like.
For me, the FDA merely has to indicate intentions in proposed policy or regulations that a tax increase is needed to dampen desire for tobacco and Congress is ready to vote (awwww, am I being too hard on that hard-working Congress?)
A politician told me a long time ago I should remember the golden rule when it comes to politics: “He who has the gold writes the rule.”
What pipe smokers need is a United Pipe Smokers of America group, like Cigar Rights of America to give our side a little air and muscle on Capitol Hill.
To kaydet81: Go here: http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/initiatives/tobacco/, for the Surgeon General’s reports. All of them, from 1960 up through the present day.
I’ve searched and can find no definitive figures on pipes and cigars separate from cigarettes. If you find that I’m wrong, let me know.
And, yes, Murf, the FDA will eventually be regulating pipe tobacco. That is inevitable and has been since the law passed in 2009 and was signed by President Obama. It’s just a matter of time.
As for specific blends, etc., I can’t point them out, and I no longer order tobacco from Europe. That’s way too expensive for me, but I am trying to put away as much pipe tobacco as my pocketbook can afford in preparation for the day that the uh, ah, sky falls in on us.
I’ve written on this subject before and have been called a Chicken Little. That’s okay with me. I have been called worse names starting with the word “Chicken.”
However, I’m trying to prepare for Tobaccogeddon. And, hey, if it never happens, then mayhaps I hedged a few price increases on my fav blends.
Thanks for the questions guys and I especially appreciate Russ’s clarity. He is a heck of a lot closer to the vicissitudes of pipe and cigar regulations than the Pipe Pundit.
I just smoke ‘em when I got ‘em.
Tobacco suffers the blight of social engineering like few other products. You can blame this on cigarettes, and do-gooders who like to concentrate on it due to the fact that its use constitutes “luxury” and cancer simultaneously. That’s all about cigarettes though, because that’s where the attention has been, and “tested”, and the debate dwells around cigarette use. Only by extension are cigars and pipes included in the equation.
You might think alcohol is nutritious or character-building with the way it is marketed- with negligible warnings. Drinking wine by extension makes you a “connoisseur” of something rare and special. Cigars and pipes both need that “rare and special” vibe/meme which quality booze, wine and even beer now enjoys. That’s a tall order, I know.
While I hesitate to invoke anything to do with the ongoing “culture wars” (knowing the destructive fallout surrounding them, I myself largely remain agnostic) finding a way to cast dispersions on the FDA is most in order.
That left/right divide is just the place where we get destroyed big-time. Odious (perceived or otherwise) characters like R Limbaugh and his cigars haven’t helped us a whole lot. Meanwhile many on the left will maintain on the point of their lives that the FDA is in the hands of corporations and does nothing to keep we consumers safe- especially when compared with Europe, which bans all sorts of substances the FDA does not, including GMOS.
My own perception is that the FDA is totally bogus; absolutely arbitrary. They have no interest in the welfare of the US consumer and at the same time will always defer to corporate interests, unless in the case of tobacco which is on the losing end of the social-engineering stick.
Note that in the last half-century or more, the FDA has given carte-blanche permission to an endless amount of products which probably should be illegal- with very little testing. To this day there are endless arguments about plastics and EMF-producing appliances, not to mention soaps, cleaning products, sweeteners and what-have-you. If one-tenth of the pressure exerted on tobacco was also applied to millions of other products, we’d no longer be wearing clothes, living in our houses, driving cars or buying the products we do.
The economy would collapse. Billions of internal combustion engines can gas us into unconsciousness and the planet to hell and back, but a tiny minority of disgruntled, logic-impaired do-gooders can get their panties in a bunch over nanny-state chicken-little-isms and exert useless legislation to the detriment of the rest of us.
The lawyerly-minded and actual attorneys must mount this argument. We all know the fact that restaurant/bar owners can not keep their doors open to a smoker-only clientele with smoker-only staff is clearly UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
Let’s remember that “assault rifles” might as well be nutritious too.
Acquiescence to blind authority is how we became self-absorbed couch potatoes waiting for our next TV show. We get the Gov’t we deserve.