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Written Communication is Inherently Hazardous

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  • Started 3 months ago by georged
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  1. georged

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    Something to keep in mind when posting to any forum is that written-only communication (no vocal inflection, facial expression, or body language) can be bizarrely inefficient and/or ambiguous.

    The mental state of the READER greatly affects the message that's received.

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    Great post. I have found that if someone expects or is looking to be insulted, they will find what they are looking for, no matter what you say.

    Michael
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    Comma, comma, comma, comma, comma chameleon.

    Ubi Ignis Est?
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    I have found that if someone expects or is looking to be insulted, they will find what they are looking for, no matter what you say.

    Confirmation Bias

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    Let's eat, grandpa!
    Vs
    Let's eat grandpa!

    "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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    found that if someone expects or is looking to be insulted,

    Or if they deliberately engineer it.

    Head Black Frigate keelhauler, boss powder monkey, & troublemaker 1st class.
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    Hazardous in a big way

    https://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/25/business/worldbusiness/25comma.html

    I don't care who you are, you're not walking on the water while I'm fishing
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    Let's eat, grandpa!
    Vs
    Let's eat grandpa!

    You got somethin' against cannibals? Is that it?

    That cultural preference presumption bigotry, right there...

    Better be careful, son, or Big Brother will lower your social score.

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    Sorry George, didn't mean to offend!

    Covering all bases here in one post!

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    Yes, words are so tricky and those who can manage them best are greatly underrated. One of General Grants best attributes was that he could write orders briefly so they could not be reasonably misunderstood.

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    Wait...you're talking about me. Right?

    tic

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    The mental state of the READER greatly affects the message that's received.

    Better be careful, son, or Big Brother will lower your social score.

    Yes indeed...your social score will be determined by Big Brother's mental state.

    Be sure to use the correct smiley.

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    George, you have too much time on your hands.

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    George is presenting a wonderful lesson on how to post on forums. Not only in the form of his post, but actually what he posted.

    Thanks George

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    Relevant point, georged.

    I only hope no one takes it the wrong way.

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    Oh, yeah ...

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    George is presenting a wonderful lesson on how to post on forums. Not only in the form of his post, but actually what he posted.

    If you were replying obliquely to kcghost, no worries... He's just pissed that I have an always-friendly cat that likes me while his is a moody little queen-bitch who looks away when he calls her name.

    True ^

    That, and he knows someone gave me a fistful of Cuban cigars last week, while he's stuck with his Dutch Masters brown paper specials.

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    And I spoke too soon! There ya go haha

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    Great post. I have found that if someone expects or is looking to be insulted, they will find what they are looking for, no matter what you say.

    I am incensed! This is outrageous, a tragedy, an insult to me and everyone else on this forum.

    Retract, I say!!

    I know that you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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    Once again, for posterity: “I have to help my friend, Jack, off his horse.” Writing is dangerous indeed.

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    While not everyone can be Jane Austin or Arthur C. Clarke on paper, neither should we strive to be as literate as Cletus (of the Simpsons) or any of the thousands of chunnibiyo (what the Japanese call "Eighth Grader Syndrome") wandering around.

    Incoherent writing communicates little. Decrying "labels" and insisting that we get rid of all of them (i.e., the nouns in our languages) indicates a disordered mind.

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    I'm confused and I'm also old.

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    I'm o.k. with language as long as one doesn't verb too many nouns, nor noun too many verbs.

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    Just remembered I had this tucked away:


    47 RULES FOR WRITERS:

    1. Verbs has to agree with their subjects.
    2. Prepositions are not words to end sentences with.
    3. And don't start a sentence with a conjunction.
    4. It is wrong to ever split an infinitive.
    5. Avoid cliches like the plague. (They're old hat.)
    6. Also, always avoid annoying alliteration.
    7. Be more or less specific.
    8. Parenthetical remarks (however relevant) are unnecessary.
    9. Also too, never, ever use repetitive redundancies.
    10. No sentence fragments.
    11. Contractions aren't necessary and shouldn't be used.
    12. Foreign words and phrases are not apropos.
    13. Do not be redundant; do not use more words than necessary; it's highly superfluous.
    14. One should NEVER generalize.
    15. Comparisons are as bad as cliches.
    16. Don't use no double negatives.
    17. Eschew ampersands & abbreviations, etc.
    18. One-word sentences? Eliminate.
    19. Analogies in writing are like feathers on a snake.
    20. The passive voice is to be ignored.
    21. Eliminate commas, that are, not necessary. Parenthetical
    words however should be enclosed in commas.
    22. Never use a big word when a diminutive one would suffice.
    23. DO NOT use exclamation points and all caps to emphasize!!!
    24. Use words correctly, disirregardless of how others use them.
    25. Understatement is always the absolute best way to put forth earth shaking ideas.
    26. Use the apostrophe in it's proper place and omit it when its not needed.
    27. Eliminate quotations. As Ralph Waldo Emerson said, "I hate
    quotations. Tell me what you know."
    28. If you've heard it once, you've heard it a thousand times:
    Resist hyperbole; not one writer in a million can use it correctly.
    29. Puns are for children, not groan readers.
    30. Go around the barn at high noon to avoid colloquialisms.
    31. Even if a mixed metaphor sings, it should be derailed.
    32. Who needs rhetorical questions?
    33. Exaggeration is a billion times worse than understatement.
    34. The passive voice should never be used.
    36. Do not put statements in the negative form.
    37. Verbs have to agree with their subject.
    38. A writer must not shift your point of view.
    39. Place pronouns as close as possible, especially in long
    sentences of 10 or more words, to their antecedents.
    40. Writing carefully, dangling participles must be avoided.
    41. If any word is improper at the end of a sentence, a linking verb is.
    42. Take the bull by the hand and avoid mixing metaphors.
    43. Avoid trendy locutions that sound flaky.
    44. Everyone should be careful to use a singular pronoun with
    singular nouns in their writing.
    45. Always pick on the correct idiom.
    46. The adverb always follows the verb.
    47. Be careful to use the rite homonym.
    And Finally...
    47. Proofread carefully to see if you any words out.

    Posted 2 months ago #
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    I'm an author and I'm working on a really exciting book. It's my fifth one and it'll be my first book to use verbs. ~ Steve Martin

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    47 RULES FOR WRITERS

    An entertaining read...whoever created that list did a brilliant job on it.

    And I'm pretty sure I've broken most if not all of them routinely (including in this post).

    Posted 2 months ago #
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    If women had apostrophes instead of periods, would they be more possessive and have more contractions?

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    Great read, with a cup of morning coffee. You guys made me smile.

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    An entertaining read...whoever created that list did a brilliant job on it.

    And I'm pretty sure I've broken most if not all of them routinely (including in this post).

    I cobbled it together from two or three sources and added a couple of my own. So about 10% credit!

    Here's another related bunch of bits:

    In addition to it's, we can have hi's, her's and their's!!!

    Help stamp out repetition, gratuitous apostrophe's, and NEEDLESS, redundant, and UNNECESSARY CAPITALIZATION, **along with** superfluous *EMPHASIS*. And tautological statements which waste space and can be repetitive or even wordy in and of themselves.

    These are *THE* internet *SCOURGES'*, along with exclamation point's!!!

    Posted 2 months ago #
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    Great post. I have found that if someone expects or is looking to be insulted, they will find what they are looking for, no matter what you say.

    I am incensed! This is outrageous, a tragedy, an insult to me and everyone else on this forum.

    Retract, I say!!

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    I am seriously OH-fended by your oh-fense taken at the oh-fence of the oh-finz of.... Sorry. I got lost there. If anybody finds me, just point me toward home & give me a shove, please? Thanks.

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    Posted 2 months ago #

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