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  1. blackadderlxx

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    Hey all, so I've seen in numerous places that some smokers recommend a wider bowl for certain blends to get more of the flavor in more complex blends. I reserved judgement on this philosophy until I tried it myself, and have to say that in my new Sav 320 (which has a wider bowl than anything else I own) I've been able to pick up things I hadn't before with certain blends I have. So this leads me to a question for the gurus here. I've been hesitating to ask this question because I'm concerned that it will be followed by an outbreak of PAD in my life, but here goes...

    For those of you who fall into the 'wide bowls for x blend' school of thought, what pipes (besides a 320) do you use? Thanks in advance.

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  2. pipehunter

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    Pot shapes of all sorts are useful for this.

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    Pot shapes of all sorts are useful for this.

    Do you have a particular favorite?

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    I have a savinelli 622 ks. It loves old Dublin

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    The 122 is another wide and shallow chamber from Savinelli. I'm quite fond of mine.

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    Those Savs are both nice. I knew I would regret asking about this!!!

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    I think you can get more flavor from a wider bowl because you are smoking cooler. Your draw on the pipe is pretty consistent, so you are drawing the same amount of air through a larger chamber making a cooler smoke.

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    I tend to like both wider bowls and bigger bowls but they do tend to use a little more tabacco.

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    I haven't found you get more flavor. My experience is the flavor(s) is less intense but the complexity is more noticeable.

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    + hoosierpipeguy

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    Well put Hoosier

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    I love pot shaped pipes. I love Squadron Leader them, I love ribbon cut VaPers in them.

    I know people who just hate them though.

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    I have a couple of the 122’s and they are outstanding smokers but my 320’s are probably my number one favorites for a larger bowl. And yes, exactly what hoosier said.

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    what pipes (besides a 320) do you use?

    This beast has a pretty wide bowl

    Neal
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    I know people who just hate them though.

    I actually did not like them when I first got mine until I experimented with the right blends. Seems as if the heavier latakia and balkans do really well. Ribbon cut Va/Pers? Interesting. Going to try RO’s Acadian VaPer in one of my 320’s.

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    But in the real world, I use pot shaped pipes like this one for coaxing nuances in flavor.

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    @npod - dunno that first one seems more practical...

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    until I tried it myself, and have to say that in my new Sav 320
    How many times must I say it.... the 320 is a magical pipe

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    I find a wider bowl brings up better the taste of complex English/Balkan mixtures. The wider I have is a clay Lepeltier billard which is 25 mm wide and it is wonderful with complex mixtures.

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    Anthony... your recommendation of the 320 is the reason I have 4 of them now. Thanks.

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    http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?cat=1,130,43409&p=69808
    One of these plus any pipe with a bowl over 1.5” wide.

    Next make sure to re-drill the shank and stem to at least 1/8”, at which point you’ll have one of the best smoking pipes ever... assuming the pipe actually survives the ordeal.

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    Neal, good GAWD. 's all I can say!

    Def agree on the pots. I've got a couple of Brebbia pots & A lovely old Bari also that are just fabulous when it comes to that. Wolf's 122 is dead-on too. I've only got one of those. Looks like some more PAD for me too!

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    Be sure to check the interior bowl dimensions! Some "pots" are actually billiards in disguise.

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    Any good pipe with a wider chamber serves this purpose. I'd call any chamber .8 inches broad tending toward wide. Often pots, diplomats, and authors, among others, claim this. My theory isn't that they burn cooler, though that may be true, but that with greater surface for ember, the likelihood that you will have more of all the components of a complex blend-- four or more tobaccos, base and condiments -- burning at once. With some blends, I find this quite noticeable. Though some would say I'm hypnotizing myself into thinking so. Sometimes what is in someone's imagination is also true.

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    Anthony... your recommendation of the 320 is the reason I have 4 of them now. Thanks.
    It's hard not to love and want more of them, once you have one. I'm glad you're enjoying yours!

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    My second favorite wide pipe is a Savinelli Dry 2622 with a .98" chamber.
    But, my absolute favorite is a 1" wide stout bulldog Gabrieli by Dan Cheblove.

    Michael
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    For those of you who fall into the 'wide bowls for x blend' school of thought, what pipes (besides a 320) do you use?

    Barling, of course. I've got them in every size from L to EXEXEL. Barling was famous for the quality of its pots. Then, there was everybody else.

    You want intensity of flavor? First, figure out the optimal moisture content for the blend you're smoking. That's going to have a lot more effect than a particular chamber shape. I can get a nice intensity from just about any chamber type, but wider chambers do often allow me to pick out subtleties in a complex blend. And ribbon cut Virginias really do well in a pot. Pretty much anything does well in a pot shape. I just vary up the chamber size. Barling EL and EXEL sized pots are terrific smoking machines. I like them better than the big pot.

    Regardless, it's 25% equipment and 75% technique.

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    Great Post, Sable.

    Leacha is correct also. So many pipemakers will make a pot-shaped pipe, list it as a pot, but then when you check out the dimensions, it's really just a .75" wide chamber. Not a pot at all.

    With that said, many bulldogs out there will have the pot chamber, with the more stylish features of being a bulldog.

    I am always reluctant to do google searches for the pot pipes

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  29. blackadderlxx

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    Thanks for all the great responses everyone.

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