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kane

kane

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Here's a Caminetto Business 104, 7" overall length, straight shank and short stem. What shape is it? Canadian? Lumberman? I am thinking Lumberman, but I do not know if it would be called something different when it is as long as this one. I have seen some long Italian straight shank and stems pipes referred to as Churchwardens, but don't know where the cross over is.

Btw, what does 104 designate?

This is a nice pipe, but the draw on the stem is a little restrictive. I would like to someday have the stem opened a bit to let it draw more freely.

Thank you.




 
buroak

buroak

Lifer
Jul 29, 2014
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I agree that it is probably best described as a Lovat, but some makers have labeled similar pipes as Canadians. Given the length of your pipe's shank, I would say it resides in the thick of the Lovat-Canadian grey area.

 
4noggins

4noggins

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Feb 11, 2013
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The shank looks oval to me???? I would call that a Canadian.

Not sure of that mouthpiece though. If it is a saddle, then all bets are off.
Rich

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4noggins

4noggins

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Could also be a Liverpool, which is similar to a Canadian, but with a round stem. Or similar to a Billiard, but with a longer stem.
Rich

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4noggins

4noggins

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Sam,
The bit looks to big to be a Lovat, if in fact it is a saddle stem.
Rich

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kane

kane

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Wow--thanks, guys!

What's a saddle stem? The stem does flare out a bit wider than where is meets the shank, if that's what that means.

The shank is round.

Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge!

 
buroak

buroak

Lifer
Jul 29, 2014
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A saddle stem has "shoulders" on the top and bottom of the stem.
A round shank of this length with a saddle stem should make your pipe a Lovat, but there is much disagreement over what distinguishes Lovat, Canadian, and Lumberman shapes. I think we can rule out the Liverpool shape without too much argument. My understanding of the Liverpool shape is that it is basically a Billiard with a somewhat elongated shank, and having a stem that is approximately equal in length to the shank.

 
fishnbanjo

fishnbanjo

Lifer
Feb 27, 2013
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The shape is BEAUTIFUL and certainly a Lovat, I'm sure it will give you many years of fine smokes.

banjo

 
kane

kane

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Thanks, Gents. Good to know....I thought a Canadian or a Lumberman....a Canadian Lumberman? My father-n-law is an Italian-Canadian, so I know that these things exist. Btw, what does the "104" mean? In general, what are the numbers for that are stamped in shanks? I see them on many pipes....104, 51, etc. Are these for sizes or styles? Factories, cataloging, production runs?

Thanks....again!

 
buroak

buroak

Lifer
Jul 29, 2014
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gigger48, I was saying that we could easily rule out Liverpool as the shape of kane's Caminetto. I should have noted, as you did, that Liverpool pipes have tapered stems.
kane, The numbers you see are shape numbers, and possibly numbers that also describe the finish or grade of the pipe. For example, a "5151" stamping on a Kaywoodie would designate that pipe as a Super Grain-graded Medium Billiard.

 
dmcmtk

dmcmtk

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Btw, what does the "104" mean? In general, what are the numbers for that are stamped in shanks? I see them on many pipes....104, 51, etc. Are these for sizes or styles? Factories?
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Typically shape code numbers, used widely by many pipemakers, old and new. Some numbers are just shape codes, some include a reference to size, and also type of finish, and even type of stem, depending on which maker/brand.

 
kane

kane

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Oh yeah, meant to say.......Damn you guys sure know your pipes!

Thanks again for taking the time share your vast knowledge.

 
rcstan

rcstan

Lifer
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I'll go for LOVAT, although those are usually more compact numbers.
As for opening the draw, have it professionally done, or use a tapered bit on a lathe on fairly slow ( 100 rpm to start with ) speed until you get close to the slot, then have the slot opened. Acrylic is fairly unforgiving, and those old Caminettos have thin buttons.

 
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